X: french shamans,
jojola,he IS a shaman, his work is excellent – when he calls the spirits to protect your circle, you are protected. though foreign influences slip his attention. new age chants, vegetarian meals in the camp…
what do they offer you that you cannot provide yourself ?Though my own tribal tradition is intact, potentially that is, my tribe assembly, the Saraf, is unorganized, null, on earth by now, so all services are not functional. Most of the time I do my work on my own – public ceremonies i perform mostly by "hit and run", edit: personal ceremonies of climbing a hill i did many times on my own. (like vision quest, they require some arduous stuff - edit: my personal version is -3 days fasting while hiking to find appropriate hill.) for my vision quest i needed the services of a good functional shaman, from a real tribe - fortunately i found Joel Jojola's invitation.
why do you seek their systems. aside from isolation, why cant you make your own system ?aside from isolation, my system is checked, tried and true, and is complete and ipeccable. my tribes assembly, the Saraf, from Taghuwar [="atlantis"*] lived very happily ever before we blew up the island to prevent it from becoming totally corrupted at the hands of bad guys.
:G: Ms Z, if you say you encountered aliens in dreams, do you mean they exist separately from you and you communicated through dreams, or that it was just a dream fantasy?
sometimes you say things that i have heard before.
i will hopefully get back to you on this topic.i have no doubt you will.
what is love, or what does love got to do with it ?(since this is Saraf knowledg, not my own opinion, i move this subject to this thread, for continuity and not to be in the way ofthe living discussion over there.)
definition: love is a potential between fields of energy around humans edit: living beings {my mistake? VEZRY VERY strange! very unlike me!} - "luminous eggs" in casta terminology.
why cant you afford real life company all the time ?because the people who get too close to me might get hurt.
if mr jojola can provide protection, why dont you seek his protection to avoid things keeping you down.Joel Jojola, as a medicin man of his tribe*, can provide protection for vision seekers under his guidance (within the powerful oma h field of his tribe, the Apache** ) (when procedure is pure and strict enough) for the place and period they are questing, to assist them in receiving their vision clear and bright.
and if he can somehow magically provide protection from some sort of weird paranormal oppression, why cant you ?I can – to some extent, in some circumstances.
what can he do that you cant.Recruit his alleys to assist my vision.
if "they" are stopping you from something as you say, why cant jojola stop them,he didn't volunteer.
or why cant you.Me – I am very strong Indian woman… but I'm no match to – to what? well... there must be something I'm no match to… or must it?
how much does joel charge to protect.Again: he doesn't charge to protect – it's not a mafia body guard deal…
while i agree people could achieve things as an group that could not be achieved by an indivdual, i dont really like the thought that and group or circle is required.I meant required for causing a vision come true – not for viewing a vision. Isn't it what I said? Lets' see:
you can't perform the edit: accomplish a vision unless you have a circle -Well – I'm not sure about the correct English wording here - edited to try clear it, as yu see - "grounding" seems good choice.
a person not being able to have an vision without the tribe or acceptance and support is ridiculous.True.
an individual could achieve plenty on their own.Some rare individuals actually did. :)
with modern systems it seems like something that benefits the guru or leader of the group the most.Your modern systems are old systems corrupted by penetration of hated ones. >:(
3. i can understand, people want to enjoy the company of like minded people.
for example the "dreaming together" remark 10 years agoremind me?
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here is some of the history.
the experiment i suggest:
guess the 2 names idlestalker and i send each other END find the thread where Dog mentioned these names.
(they are in the title)
it's a "confidance" exam... but even if you chit and search Dog's posting, it will be an achievment if you guess which whitch is which!
it's not about sience, to my opinion... but if you have a suggestion for more validation than the fact it is online for long time, +(hopefully) that idlestalker would approve of my acount - i'm open to suggestions.
i have to claim tough that so far i never checked my own receiving (of the name he send) with idlestalker , so i might be wrong about it's maching Dog's choice. but anyway, that choice is there, and if not a corect gues,, it is at least a sarcastic take on our exchange!
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a frame of time?any suggestions, people?
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Hi charlila.
Thanks for taking the time to start an experiment. I want to make sure that I understand what you are setting up.
You and 'idlestalker' communicated a name to each other privately and GD has guessed or expressed those names out on the CL forum...and it is our challenge to find out what those names are. Is that it?
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hey tawwanda!
wonders and miracles! i'v just had a little chat with Dog...(5th post down) [deleted since - tally ho!] and o, miracle! i can post here again!
so, my answer to your question:
yes, "idlestalker" (my personal way to adress the poster ldstalker) and i send each other names by telepathy - privetly and secretely - and one day, when i recieved the current name he sent me (unless i got the name wrong - which happend too at times) i recalled a title of one of Dog's threads that contained both names.
and yes, what i 'm asking you to guess - in whatever way - is the 2 names
you can claim our choice of names was inspired by this thread... but, (speaking for myself only, of course) i can tell you i built "a mantra" from consonants and vowels, according to there meanings in Ag~urah, then i realized there is an English word very near... analized it as Ag~!urah, was satisfyed, and bingo, chose it.
done?
A TIME FRAME
thinking again about it, i think the best is "you touch - you go".
let everybody post their gues...
or would you rather send it ti me and to tawwanda personaly?
tawwanda?
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Apr 17 07 11:25 AM
Glad that you were able to work it out charlila.
I like the idea of folks putting their answers on the forum, but that is up to you. There may be a reason that I haven't thought of to keep answers hidden until the end of your experiment.
I'll be taking a couple of days off.
Good luck everyone!
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i just think people's answers might influence each other.
is it good or bad?
let's try without it, so we'll be able to compare later.
so - PM us both, and anounce on board that you send it (for there are PM monsters lurking in the darkness, you know).
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Apr 21 07 4:28 PM
so?
everybody rabbit down?
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My fuzzy hiney.
Today as I open the forum, I see a bunch of whiners. If there was a warriorly bone amongst you, you would take it out and hit yourself with it.
Maybe a rewrite would be in order.
"Whacky and whiney discussions regarding one's status as a self proclaimed whatever, the nature of our fantasies, and how we're being mistreated here"
Not that naguals haven't spurred the conversation and provided unconscious illustrations of various forms of psychological pathology.. but we can only use so many bad examples.
Somehow It has become acceptable, even popular, to come onto this board, and complain about this board.
No other discussion site would tolerate such noise, and no other board is expected to receive postings so diametrically opposed to its purpose.
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So we have a troll cellar. It is a most common device, first used in my memory by the original nagnet.
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Ultimately, this chaos is my fault. Surely all these powerful magicians are not responsible for their own actions. I created a niche where you crybabies have the right to avalanche your goofery, and your sense of entitlement assures that your whinery will fill any vacuum. Now I'm sputtering to keep my head above the noise.
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Inga, your positive contributions to this place amount to zero.
Ra6as is in the negative numbers. Charlila can't put two rational words in the same sentence. Sid is displaying his toys.
Sil thinks everyone who doesn't believe her nuttiness is my sock puppet, and there are five more names I could surely add to the list.
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Thank you.
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Just because I'm so... you know.. adamant about my position... It would be interesting if I could make predictions of human behavior based on my ideas about how people work...
... and then try to test those predictions with an experiment.
If you are a total believer and would like to debunk my philosophical stance, and you're really sure I'm wrong..
.... this should be interesting to you... just like if you're a skeptic and you might be interested in seeing my ideas vindicated... this could be that, too.
The thing is, the procedures I have in mind requires three or four volunteers... you know... folks who volunteer to be fooled, in order to test an idea experimentally.
Now it's nothing extreme, and except for the chance that the experiment won't go your way, I can think of no reason anyone might regret having participated.
... that is, there's no humiliation or "gotcha" coming... It's going to be about your candid reaction to stimuli on the board.
If you volunteer, you'll start out anonymous. At the end of the experiment, your participation will be released with the results of the experiment.
You won't know when the experiment is gonna happen, or what it's going to be... you just post and read the board as usual. There may be some nominal tasks like filling out a questionaire or working a certain word into your regular posts.
Something like that.
An example might be like I predict that people might remember posts they like, better than they remember posts they don't like.
That's not it... that's an example. After a week I might say the experiment is over, and give each volunteer a list of a hundred words, and have them click the ones that have been used on SR in the last few days.
Something like that.... but in this example, someone might not want to participate if their memory is gonna be compared to other folks'... in the actual experiment, there are no intrapersonal comparisons in the works.
You know, it's not like I couldn't just grant myself license to try to fool people, if that's what this was about. I got a pretty good experiment design here.
Potential volunteers will have more questions. In order to protect your identity through the length of the experiment, please do PM me... anonymous is fine.
soon after i was on an car ride with miss -, an longer ride than usual. as soon as the car started driving forward, i mentioned
me: P.S. X - which of the cars in the image hereafter would better describe the one you mentioned?
as details of the car is personal information it would be inappropriate to give the information,my question actually was, "if the car X mentioned was one of those on the google doodle, which one it was?"- like in the game, a paraphraze on "who knows 20"(fail to google for the game;s English name, my connection get stuck again, my forum4 search dosen't function prfectly as usual, and so on) [=1 chooses some object and tells the other wheather is it animal, plant or mineral, then the opponant have to find it by 20 "yes/no" questions) - where the questions are "if he was a field, what kind of field he was?" (hydrophonic...flowers... hay...wreck...) "if he was an actor, what kind of actor he was?" "...super hero?" "aprite?""...animal?" and so on.
x: to be honest i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about with that google pic and question with it.honest?
you mean 20 questions, a guessing game ?i mean a game based on 20 questions, a bit more sophisticated and very funny, that a psychologist friend taught me years ago:
not going to happen in this thread,
general supernatural exploration is not about guessing games, it has been, but its over now.