have you ever had and experience that could be described as supernatural.
X: why is there tacos, instead of not tacos.hmmm indeed.
because tacos are nice.
hmmm.
why is there torture?
why is there slavery?
why Holocaust?
why my god allows it?
or does he?
Sorry, that was a useless reply.not at all! i was about to answer it, just i'm on the road the last 2 days (and should be moving by now)
Maybe he/she/it isn't omnipotent.
. What I meant to say is that I find it really interesting that you choose not to indulge your "inner monologue". I was always scared that I'll miss my one good idea if I don't listen to every word I think. It just seems that I'm not living if I'm not obsessively introspecting..thinking Aghur^ah whould have solved it... but ut's like saying "put some salt on the kitten's tail". once you are born, your Tamahtuphah can't keep open, thus you loose your knowing of Aghurah...
I now suspect i've had it backwards all along.. Any thoughts?
x man: maybe it is as much puppies, laughter and friendship, as it is cancer, violence and supernovas. an non omipotent god that just started the sim but cant change what happens is equally terrifying.
ms z, why would yah have an shoulder ?ouch, that cold shoulder hurts... but i guess i deserve the Reprimand, sir. eye, eye!
Recent studies have begun to investigate oxytocin's role in various behaviors, including orgasm, social recognition, pair bonding, anxiety, and maternal behaviors. For this reason, it is sometimes referred to as the "bonding hormone". There is some evidence that oxytocin promotes ethnocentric behavior, incorporating the trust and empathy of in-groups with their suspicion and rejection of outsiders.
"IT IS WRITTEN that 'Love is the law, love under will.' Herein is an Arcanum concealed, for in the Greek Language [Agape], Love, is of the same numerical value as [Thelema], Will. By this we understand that the Universal Will is of the nature of Love. Now Love is the enkindling in ecstacy of Two that will to become One. It is thus an Universal formula of High Magick. For see now how all things, being in sorrow caused by dividuality, must of necessity will Oneness as their medicine... Understand now that in yourselves is a certain discontent. Analyse well its nature: at the end is in every case one conclusion. The ill springs from the belief in two things, the Self and the Not-Self, and the conflict between them. This also is a restriction of the Will. He who is sick is in conflict with his own body: he who is poor is at odds with society: and so for the rest. Ultimately, therefore, the problem is how to destroy this perception of duality, to attain to the apprehension of unity.
- Aleister Crowley, "De Lege Libellum"
1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
June 24 - Today I went on a strange kind of antiintellectual binge. If I had
dared to, I would have gotten drunk, but after the experience with Fay, I
knew it would be dangerous. So, instead, I went to Times Square, from movie
house to movie house, immersing myself in westerns and horror movies-the way
I used to. Each time, sitting through the picture, I would find myself
whipped with guilt. I'd walk out in the middle of the picture and wander into
another one. I told myself I was looking for something in the make-believe
screen world that was missing from my new life.
Then, in a sudden intuition, right outside the Keno Amusement Center, I knew
it wasn't the movies I wanted, but the audiences. I wanted to be with the
people around me in the darkness.
The walls between people are thin here, and if I listen
quietly, I hear what is going on. Greenwich Village is like
that too. Not just being close-because I don't feel it in a
crowded elevator or on the subway during the rush but
on a hot night when everyone is out walking, or sitting in
the theater, there is a rustling, and for a moment I brush
against someone and sense the connection between the
branch and trunk and the deep root. At such moments
my flesh is thin and tight, and the unbearable hunger to
be part of it drives me out to search in the dark corners
and blind alleys of the night.
Knuth's book is written in an entertaining manner that describes
how one assesses randomness. After asking "Is 3 a random number?" he describes
a program he wrote one time to compute really exceedingly outstandingly random
numbers -- involving several of the traditional techniques like multiplying and
taking the middle digits, and even branching to a random place in the program --
and finding highly disappointing results upon testing it.
" It was about a mad scientist named Fleon Sunoco, who was doing research at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. Dr. Sunoco believed really smart people had little radio receivers in their heads, and were getting their bright ideas from somewhere else.
"The smarties had to be getting outside help" Trout said to me at Xanadu. While impersonating the mad Sunoco, Trout himself seemed convinced that there was a great big computer somewhere, which, by means of radio, had told Pythagoras about right triangles, and Newton about gravity, and Darwin about evolution, and Pasteur about germs, and Einstein about relativity, and on and on.
"That computer, wherever it is, whatever it is, while pretending to help us, may actually be trying to kill us dummies with too much to think about," said Kilgore Trout.
Dr. Fleon Sunoco at the NIH, who is independently rich, hires grave robbers to bring him the brains of deceased members of Mensa, a nationwide club for persons with high Intelligence Quotients, or IQs, as determined by standardized tests of verbal and nonverbal skills, tests which pit the testees against the Joe and Jane Sixpacks, against the Lumpenproletariat.
His ghouls also bring him brains of people who died in really stupid accidents, crossing busy streets against the light, starting charcoal fires at cookouts with gasoline, and so on, for comparison. So as not to arouse suspicion, they deliver the fresh brains one at a time in buckets stolen from a nearby Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise. Needless to say, Sunoco's supervisors have no idea what he's really doing when he works late night after night. They do notice how much he likes fried chicken, apparently, ordering it by the bucket, and that he never offers anybody else some. They also wonder how he stays so skinny. During regular working hours, he does what he is paid to do, which is develop a birth control pill that takes all the pleasure out of sex, so teenagers won't copulate.
At night, though, with nobody around, he slices up high-IQ brains, looking for little radios. He doesn't think Mensa members had them inserted surgically. He thinks they were born with them, so the receivers have to be made of meat. Sunoco has written in his secret journal: "There is no way an unassisted human brain, which is nothing more than a dog's breakfast, three and a half pounds of blood-soaked sponge, could have written 'Stardust,' let alone Beethoven's Ninth Symphony."
One night he finds an unexplained little snot-colored bump, no larger than a mustard seed, in the inner ear of a Mensa member, who as a junior high schooler had won spelling bee after spelling bee. Eureka!
He reexamines the inner ear of a moron who was killed when, she was grabbing door handles of fast-moving vehicles while wearing Rollerblades. Neither of her inner ears has a snot-colored bump. Eureka!
Sunoco examines fifty more brains, half from people so stupid you couldn't believe it, half from people so smart you couldn't believe it. Only the inner ears of the rocket scientists, so to speak, have bumps. The bumps have to have been the reason the smarties were so good at taking IQ tests. An extra piece of tissue that little, and as nothing but tissue, couldn't possibly have been much more help than a pimple. It has to be a radio! And radios like that have to be feeding correct answers to questions, no matter how recondite, to Mensas and Phi Beta Kappas, and to quiz show contestants.
This is a Nobel Prize-type discovery! So, even before he has published, Fleon Sunoco goes out and buys himself a suit of tails for Stockholm.
"Fleon Sunoco jumped to his death into the National Institutes of Health parking lot. He was wearing his new suit of tails, which would never get to Stockholm.
"He realized that his discovery proved that he didn't deserve credit for making it. He was hoist by his own petard! Anybody who did anything as wonderful as what he had done couldn't possibly have done it with just a human brain, with nothing but the dog's breakfast in his braincase. He could have done it only with outside help."
ps.
as and question, after watching movies like imitation game, chappie, ex machina, is there and turing style test for spiritual beings. such as, for all the people that claim to speak to ghosts and aliens and spirit beings, that claim to have control of their energy, is there and test to determine if they are being truthful ?
(last time i went to that site was to generate the numbers, first time back to confirm it was the site, i checked it was working, 45)
(1) G (post #41) Today's guess is the number 45, and 14 for the bonus ball.
(2) X (post #43) 45 and 14, no dice.
(3) G (post #44) The way the number was "psychically communicated" to me was 4-5 (I'll explain later). Are 4 or 5 a number?
(4) X (post #46) g, i am interested in the 4-5 story. 4 or 5 are not one of the numerals. still interested in the story.
(5) X (post #53) last time i went to that site was to generate the numbers, first time back to confirm it was the site, i checked it was working, 45
(post #46) they mention some numbers as part of their looking. those numbers are in the forum4 random numbers. the experience is disconcerting due to the extreme unusualness. just and sync. worth mention only for high weirdness.
Because all the firstborn are mine; for on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto me all the firstborn in Israel, both man and beast: mine shall they be: I am the LORD.
what is the probability that of the pre emptive dream numbers of g, the "miss x" who was set to pick 3 numbers, picked 2 of those by g.
G: We're not basing any important decisions off this, just chatting about weird stuff.
In cryptography, a zero-knowledge proof or zero-knowledge protocol is a method by which one party (the prover) can prove to another party (the verifier) that a given statement is true, without conveying any information apart from the fact that the statement is indeed true.
If proving the statement requires knowledge of some secret information on the part of the prover, the definition implies that the verifier will not be able to prove the statement in turn to anyone else, since the verifier does not possess the secret information. Notice that the statement being proved must include the assertion that the prover has such knowledge (otherwise, the statement would not be proved in zero-knowledge, since at the end of the protocol the verifier would gain the additional information that the prover has knowledge of the required secret information). If the statement consists only of the fact that the prover possesses the secret information, it is a special case known as zero-knowledge proof of knowledge, and it nicely illustrates the essence of the notion of zero-knowledge proofs: proving that one has knowledge of certain information is trivial if one is allowed to simply reveal that information; the challenge is proving that one has such knowledge without revealing the secret information or anything else.
For zero-knowledge proofs of knowledge, the protocol must necessarily require interactive input from the verifier, usually in the form of a challenge or challenges such that the responses from the prover will convince the verifier if and only if the statement is true (i.e., if the prover does have the claimed knowledge). This is clearly the case, since otherwise the verifier could record the execution of the protocol and replay it to someone else: if this were accepted by the new party as proof that the replaying party knows the secret information, then the new party's acceptance is either justified – the replayer does know the secret information – which means that the protocol leaks knowledge and is not zero-knowledge, or it is spurious – i.e. leads to a party accepting someone's proof of knowledge who does not actually possess it.
97801402892060961001 base 10 * 0110011001101111011011110111010001100010011000010110110001101100 base 2
721895711186429677656686373548203609676
Ju4o: The challenge for X, at this point, is "proving that one has knowledge of certain information is trivial if one is allowed to simply reveal that information; the challenge is proving that one has such knowledge without revealing the secret information or anything else".
Hi Z that is interesting. Can I ask a follow up question: what if instead of 500 I had said a million? That is, if you would imagine an alternative version of this thread, as follows,J ang G (and X) - are you playing "turkish poker?"
X: "I have found a random number generator which genarates truly random numbers based on atmospheric noise. www.random.org. I've randomly generated a number, between one and a million. Anyone is welcome to guess it."
G "I guess three hundred and seventy two thousand six hundred and five."
X "Correct."
What would you think?
G:There are approx. 1 million English words. The experiment is to see if you can guess a randomly selected word from a randomly selected book.i'm too advanced to understand i guess...
To encode the answer, I type the ISBN number of the book in a text editor or word processor, e.g.
9780140289206 (13 digits)
I complete the code by adding the page number (3 digits), line number (2 digits) and word number (2 digits).
Input mask: BBBBBBBBBBBBBPPPLLWW (20 digits)
Example: 97801402892060961001
(ISBN for Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid, page 096, line 10, word 01)
Next, I take the word ("football"), and convert it to binary with an online converter, e.g. http://www.unit-conversion.info/texttools/convert-text-to-binary/
Result: 01100110 01101111 01101111 01110100 01100010 01100001 01101100 01101100
I paste it into the text editor mentioned, then remove all the spaces:
0110011001101111011011110111010001100010011000010110110001101100
Next, I connect the two numbers by adding "base 10" behind the book code, "base 2" behind the binary word code and "*" between them:
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97801402892060961001 base 10 * 0110011001101111011011110111010001100010011000010110110001101100 base 2
I copy and paste the combination to Wolfram Alpha: http://www.wolframalpha.com/
Wolfram Alpha multiplies the numbers and returns:
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721895711186429677656686373548203609676
Next, I publish the number in our guessing game. If a person guesses the word correctly, it is easy to run the process in reverse. Simply divide the given number by the binary of the guessed word. If it is the correct word, the following will happen:
1. The result will be a 20 digit number
2. It will follow the pattern BBBBBBBBBBBBBPPPLLWW
3. If you paste the first 13 digits into google, it will show you a book
4. If you can get the book, or search it online, you will see the word on page PPP, in line LL, word number WW.
If the person has guessed the word incorrectly, the probability of finding that wrong word in a wrong book at that wrong place would surely be even smaller than guessing 1 out of a million words.
It may be hard to find that specific book, but at least it would be verifiable. I'm sure it would be pretty easy to write a script to automate the process, but I wouldn't know where to start.
talli-ho san (loved this nick, ju4o) yes, i did think a number and never posted it - what round was it? anyway right when x said than dreaming is as legitimate way to pick a umber as any - closed my eyes' saw "the tunnel" and expected to see a number - instead i heared it (said?) 17.this is indeed interested, regarding 15 and 17:
then someone wrote somewhere no no no' the number is incorrect, so i tried again and it (?) said 15.
- 15?
_between 15 and 17 (meaning 15\16\17?
but 17 feels more serious.)
I'm sure it would be pretty easy to write a script to automate the process
669065629724685784603345396 base 10 / <insert binary number here and remove spaces> base 2
act add ads age ago aid aim air all alt and ane any are arm art ash ask ate awe axe bad bag bal bar bat bed beg bet bid big bin bit bob bow box boy bra bun bus but buy cab caf can cap car cat cnd cod cow coy cry cup cut day den dep dew did die dig dim din dog don dow dry due dug ear eat ebb eek eel eff egg end eye fag far fat fed fee few fey fig fit fix flu fly for fun fur gag gap gas gel get gin god got gun guy gym had hag ham has hat hay her hid him hip his hit hob hop hot how hug hum ice icy ill ion its ivy jam jar jaw jet job joy jug key kid kir lap law lay led leg let lid lie lip lit lot low lug mad man map maw max may med men met mix mle mor mud mug nag new nod non nor not now nut oaf oak obf odd off oil old one onx our out owe own pad pat pay pen per pie pig pit pop pot pub put ran rap rat red rev rid rim rip rly rod rom rot row rub rug rum run sad sat saw say sea see set sex she sip sir sit six sky sly sob son sue sum sun tan tap tea ted ten the tie tin tip ton too top tow toy try tug tum two urn use van vat via vim wad wan war was wax way web wet who why win wit won wry yes yet yew you zip
I'm afraid I've got to work. Nicola's sick and I'm going to have to dep for her at the Wigmore on Friday week.
7364 the
4102 and
2683 was
1447 his
1368 had
1345 you
975 for
761 him
714 but
686 her
634 she
606 not
560 all
523 out
443 one
289 its
269 way
257 see
256 who
234 are
227 off
226 did
221 any
216 now
193 get
178 man
155 can
152 two
147 got
144 old
139 few
133 say
131 own
131 how
125 put
113 car
108 air
102 sat
91 why
91 too
86 has
86 day
85 let
76 new
73 yes
71 bit
63 bed
60 odd
59 end
58 lot
56 lay
53 our
53 may
53 ask
52 top
47 try
47 set
46 far
45 sky
44 saw
44 big
41 yet
40 hat
37 god
34 ran
33 eye
33 arm
32 led
31 red
31 low
31 box
29 tap
29 boy
28 sit
27 use
27 ago
26 run
26 hit
25 sir
25 sea
25 pay
25 bad
22 buy
21 pot
21 job
21 cat
20 van
20 ten
20 mud
18 hot
18 dim
17 fit
16 sun
16 mad
15 men
15 bag
14 tea
13 lit
13 fat
13 cut
13 cup
12 pop
12 met
12 bin
12 bar
11 wet
11 per
11 add
10 tie
10 son
10 oak
10 fed
10 bow
9 oil
9 nod
9 leg
9 key
9 age
8 wad
8 six
8 sad
8 guy
8 fly
8 bet
7 war
7 tin
7 rid
7 rap
7 pen
7 map
7 ear
7 don
7 cry
7 caf
7 beg
7 act
6 tip
6 pub
6 lie
6 ill
6 eat
6 dog
5 via
5 owe
5 nor
5 lip
5 jet
5 gas
5 fun
5 due
5 art
4 pig
4 pie
4 pad
4 joy
4 fag
4 cab
4 awe
3 win
3 tug
3 sum
3 sip
3 row
3 lid
3 law
3 kid
3 jam
3 ice
3 hum
3 hug
3 gap
3 fur
3 fix
2 yew
2 won
2 web
2 wax
2 wan
2 vim
2 toy
2 sue
2 rip
2 rim
2 pit
2 pat
2 non
2 mix
2 max
2 lug
2 jaw
2 icy
2 hid
2 hay
2 gin
2 gag
2 fig
2 ebb
2 dig
2 die
2 cap
2 bob
2 bid
2 ate
2 aim
2 aid
1 zip
1 wry
1 wit
1 vat
1 urn
1 tum
1 tow
1 ton
1 ted
1 tan
1 sob
1 sly
1 sex
1 rum
1 rug
1 rub
1 rot
1 rom
1 rod
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1 rev
1 rat
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1 obf
1 oaf
1 nut
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1 lap
1 kir
1 jug
1 jar
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1 ion
1 hop
1 hob
1 hip
1 ham
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1 gym
1 gun
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1 fee
1 egg
1 eff
1 eel
1 eek
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1 dew
1 dep
1 den
1 coy
1 cow
1 cod
1 cnd
1 bus
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Among the b-bit numbers, the most difficult to factor in practice using existing algorithms are those that are products of two primes of similar size.
On December 12, 2009, a team including researchers from the CWI, the EPFL, INRIA and NTT in addition to the authors of the previous record factored RSA-768, a 232-digit semiprime. They used the equivalent of almost 2000 years of computing on a single core 2.2 GHz AMD Opteron.
Ju4o: P.S. Z could you translate please?oh damm. i wrote this nonsense feeling so light- hearted, for i was NOT going to translate it...
Mr G:well... this gives me an idea.
Ms Z, have you invented a new code? Should we try and guess the meaning?
i was actually annoyed at the words repeating involuntarily and thought if i knew what they meant, if they were anything more than gibberish, that might break it. desperate but appropriate attempt at managing the overflow. this must sound very weird, but i am used to it.how elegant!
Mr G: OK folks, ready get set go. For Round A the number is 14611498900249997356682144316044411105508199092393145435306
J4: Interesting. I guess 'parameterization'.
Mr G: Correct.
An elder who spoke to me at length in the 1970s had an immediately transformative experience. Going into a trance in a "prayer seat" in the high mountains, he saw, as though through a tunnel, a small hole of light opening into a meadow (locally, a "prairie") in the sky. A spiritual being took him up to this world above. He saw people there, "all in the prime of life - about thirty-five years". He could not talk with them or eat with them, lest he lose control and be unable to get back to earth. He knew this to be the "beauty world", where the spirits of trained people go at death, waiting, he told me, for the time when they would come back to earth in new forms. He was guided back to the seat by one of the spirit beings, and when he returned to his body in the prayer seat he knew what "beauty" truly was, and "walked in beauty".
This man said an interesting thing. The spirits that he saw were not, he asserted, really there - their forms were simply the best his imagination could provide, given that "the spiritual is completely different from the material", and thus unimaginable.
"who is Mr Paranormal?"
Hello Ms Z. Conceptually, Mr Paranormal is an explanatory anthropomorphism. The first question I would like to consider is, whether an explanation is called for.
When Mr G announced the rules for Round A, I envisaged we might have some fun. For the purposes of this post I would like to present an imagined sequence of events. Let us imagine that Mr G would have reached across from his desk to the nearest bookshelf and taken out the first book which came to hand. For example ...
...
J4: Interesting. I guess 'parameterization'.
Mr G: Correct.
Well, as you all know, it didn't exactly happen like that. What went wrong is that Mr G, for Round A, not only chose a 3-letter word, but he went so far as to tell us in advance that it was a simple 3-letter word. I immediately felt that to correctly guess the word 'hat', given that we had been told in advance that the word was only 3 letters, would be so darned unimpressive that I couldn't bring myself to do it. Therefore I had to choose another tack, as we have seen.
But my question now is this: what if Round A had gone like I imagined it could? What would people think?
what i am thinking now.
hmm
cross-timelines telepathy...
too paranormalized for me!
Mr G: OK folks, ready get set go. For Round A the number is 14611498900249997356682144316044411105508199092393145435306
J4: Interesting. I guess 'parameterization'.
Mr G: Correct.
It's absurd to say you "guessed" the word. You couldn't possibly have done. It's way beyond what one could call a "lucky guess". Either Mr G gave you a hint, or you found a way of getting back from the number to the word. There is no other realistic possibility.
Ju40: Homeopathy is an example of something that many people (if they are at all interested in it and know something about it) might regard as paranormal but not supernatural.
the words have quite different histories. Supernatural comes from medieval theology and paranormal comes from 19th century psychical research.was about to write that history is irrelevant for a word's meaning, and bla bla, maximum for it's connotation, than i caught your drift.
Mr X: I have generated 4 random numbers between 1 and 50. Anyone is welcome to guess them.
Mr G: I guess 2, 12, 12 and 40.
Mr X: Your guess for the first number is correct.
… Mr X could have had a secret plan to convince us that telepathy is real when it is not, and he could have said that Mr G's first guess was correct whatever Mr G had guessed.thanks ju4o, very well explained.
There is also a mirror-image problem, which is that Mr X could have had a secret plan to convince us that telepathy does not exist even though it does, and he could have said that Mr G's guess was incorrect even if it was actually correct.
A nice way to solve both these problems is for Mr X to create for each secret number an object H, which has the following properties:
(1) it is easy for Mr X to create H and post it on the forum
(2) knowing H does not make it easier for anyone to guess the secret number
(3) anyone who makes a guess can easily ask H "is this number right or wrong?" and H will answer correctly.
This does open up the possibility that a determined guesser could guess every number between 1 and 50 in turn until he or she chances upon the correct number. But if we vastly increase the range of the random numbers, so that instead of being between 1 and 50 the secret number is between 1 and a million (for example) then it becomes infeasible to systematically try every number in turn.
Theologians, following Aquinas, argued that only God had the power to disregard the laws of nature that he has createdme (to yah - god) "do you have that power"?
ms z, congratulations.
money is not only good for logisitics, such as shelter food and electricity, but it is good for giving you options, choosing what you want to do.oh, sure.
P.S. shit! my cursor jumped to the middle of a previous word ("story" was the word) while i was typing another word - i copy- pasted the back of Baron Minchausen's horse back to place - and again - each single word (few exceptions - "i am" , "ping", P.S., Baron) is underlined red!
is it some bug invoked by the jump of the cursor?
could the very use of pss have triggered it in the first place somehow?
i know - my assuptions relating programming are hilarious too often... but motivations i can pretty diagnoze - could someone (WHO? futile question?) have possibly place that pss as a bait for me to involuntarily summon the bag into manifestation?
i copy- pasted my reply to word doc... reversed the page, clicked "reply" again... pasted the reply... all red lines.
i should have copied it to notebook i know - was lazy to open notebook doc for - how not - i'm so tired and striving to finish... yaalalyah my dog protested, felt my intent for a real walk... too late? we'll see.
i'll try again - notebook this time.
all red.
hey - who\whatever does it -
STOP!
before it's too late!
X: yes or no, bigfeets alien ufos ghosts or fortune telling physics.
i propose we add some sort of interactive actiony bit to this thread. questions can be added to the first post, and proposed actions can be added.! !! !!!
for example, z, you belief in god,belief? i'm not sure this is the term. rather, i know God, as i know, for that matter, you. do i believe in you? Any need to doubt it?
is there and action or technique or some sort of activity that could lead to some sort of experience of your god.
Subud is an association of people who follow the spiritual practice known as the Latihan Kejiwaan, an exercise[/b] of surrender* to the divine force within each one of us. …[/i]
Subud is open to people of all religious affiliation, as well as those with none. … there is no particular Subud dogma that they are required to accept. The essence of Subud is the personal experience of the latihan.
There are active Subud members in 83 … Fifty-four of these countries are members of the World Subud Association. … [which] exists to enable national Subud bodies to work together and support the practice of the latihan, as well as to foster the educational, cultural, social and entrepreneurial activities that Subud members are involved in.
ex;erjuments?
i think it would be interested to try out stuff, without beliefing in it or being invested. just looking for direct experience, wether is is strong weak or novel experience..
i was think about this due to talking with g. constant consumption is version 2 of and older thing. version 1.5, which was un named, was and reaction to the terrible brutal version 1.
1.5 was pretty simple. try to find a ghost. no cameras or voice recorders or anything. a torch, some water and an knife. be alone. no thoughts of capturing and ghost and proving ghosts. only to capture it as your own experience.
Something Trungpa Rinpoche said to me during my time at Samye Ling [in Scotland] has always echoed in my head.
I had just come from working in the garden and heard my name called. I looked to the balcony and saw Trungpa Rinpoche sitting on the floor near the bathroom. He waved to me and said he needed my help getting back to his room. As I approached him I could detect the odor of alcohol in the air. I of course had heard all the rumors of drinking, drugs, and sex, but had never seen anything myself so I was trying to be fair, though it did taint my mind. I helped him up and back to his room, and as we entered he said, "I understand you have been having trouble meditating. Sit here," he said, gesturing toward some pillows at his side, "and meditate for me." What ran through my mind was something like, "What can this drunken person do for my meditation?" Suffice it to say, after a bit I could feel him in my head cutting this bind, untying this knot, and releasing this staple until the top of my head floated free and I had 360-degree vision!
As I was turning the doorknob and bowing to him he said, "Always separate the man from the teacher."
This has stood me in good stead and I will always carry it with me.
~Bob Gottlieb
if god or yah can tell you jokes that make you laugh for 5 minutes, it sounds like you belief in it.("lier! Lier! Hat on fire!")
just because an system is functional, does not mean it is good or you should use it.it ia not a single system - it's multiple, different in sheere intent as well as methods. can you put don juan and dirty sanches?
just because an system is functional, does not mean it is good or you should use it.Of course – choose from whatever exists or make your own - but if you find a functional one (again: not generalized "shamanism", and better call it by it's native name, whatever) – why not try it?
one criticism of the shaman system i have is - any system using intoxication/ rituals/ spirits has an problem with state dependent memory.I agree about intoxication. What about united state memory?
i cant really explain, just it seems being consistent calm and smooth as you build knowledge of the superparapreter is and good quality in the long run, different than massive bursts of perception that only happen under certain conditions.Good luck with the superparapreter – personally I wouldn't touch it with a 3 meters long keisaku.
"Always separate the man from the teacher."Seems to be conflicting to what I told G…
So I did laugh for 5 minutes.- Ok, I'm convinced.
But was it god?
What is god?
whose god?
God who?
There is a strange kind of disconnect between students and some teachers that is really hard to bridge.it is [imo] the lack of a viable agreement between the 2 parties.
what is love, or what does love got to do with it ?definition: love is a potential between fields of energy around humans - "luminous eggs" in casta terminology.
In a meat sense (but not meant cynically), I think it's probably hormones that affect certain areas of the brain where certain subsections of the main meatprogram is stored. These subsections include, but is not limited to:
Pair bonding (to facilitate mating and child rearing)
Maternal / Parental bonding (to promote survival of the genes)
Team bonding (probably a hunting thing)
James bonding (a cheap, silly joke)
Who gets further? One answer is, shamans.
But there are 2 big difficulties: shamans tend to live in mountain fastnesses, or in desert vastnesses, or at least they did until recent times, and secondly, the merest contact with a shaman wreaks havoc on the ego of the searcher.
To counter these difficulties needs a strong motivation, and that is where the multistep can help.
if you had to pick one or two non shamanism systems that could lead to paranormal experience what would that be.
ju4o:Those numbers are pretty impressive, and that's just the raw data analyzed very conservatively and not taking any account of the cluster of weirdnesses which crept in around, for example the "dreaming together" remark 10 years ago and the xhosa remark this year.
Before I say anything further, could you please explain in detail what on earth made you choose Xhosa as the language in your example?edit: i misquoted this quote. fixed. apologise, G. meaned to summerize, not quote, then changed my mind and forgot to change the HTML.
"i apologize, i have frantically googled and searched my browser history for the word that sparked the thought of xhosa. i cant find it or remember it. there were are bunch of words, spanish, scottish, german, one xhosa that i was googling...
Hello Z. Your quotation from G in post #157 is inauthentic.done.
Hopefully you will be able to fix that easily.
But, could any of your other posts have inauthentic quotations?
The left hand margin says you have done 106 posts which is too many to check.
Can you suggest a solution? It is not OK to have inauthentic quotations in a forum that is accessible to the public.hey, aspetino! is it pettiness day over there?
x: with the f4 rounds, the petering out / maxing
out is also and interesting bit. after the xhosa thing its like my mind hit a wall of communication. it was much easier to not report or not try to figure everything out.
hello j,
i also had the weird thought... it would not be an good idea to connect to myself. if we could swap minds for one minute, i would probably enjoy it, you however would not enjoy it.
As the american lady exclaimed, upon being told that the oriental monk in whose monastery she was a guest was able to read people's minds,
"You mean he reads my mind? Oh the poor, poor fellow, I am so terribly sorry for him."
Coin Experiment
We're conducting a PSI experiment which anyone can participate in.
I've selected some coins the total of which is under $2.00.
Each day for the next five days I'll be "projecting" the total amount of these coins into the "ether".
You may put your answers here in this thread.
Thanks,
Tungstenblue
The coins are lying on the front center of a white table.
Directly behind the coins is a small Navajo ceramic plate, two small yellow candles flank the plate and a larger green one is behind the plate.
There are also four ceramic pieces I made myself that are on the table, plus a small family photograph.
:) We have a winner
Congradulations..............
Jeremy Donovan is the winner.................
It is exactly 37 cents.
Coin experiment is closed.........unless you want to guess the coin breakdown...............discuss!
Hey lets talk about doing another one......
Cards...........Anyone?
coin experiment analysis
Since I'm going to refer to it in upcoming posts (unless the combined forces of sanity succeed in shutting me up), I'd better post here an analysis of the coin experiment. Corrections welcomed.
Since we were not simply running it as a guessing game, but specifically as an experiment to explore the possibility of non-ordinary modes of perception (or of modes of synchronicity other than perception) it is proper to analyze it as such.
That is to say, we are interested not only in who won (as in a lottery), but in the more abstract questions of what - if anything - the results suggest about the unknown mechanics - if any - of what is going on.
For example, if the proportion of winners is significantly more than expected, or the proportion of losers significantly less than expected, that would be a suggestion that the experiment should be repeated in order to rule out the possibility of psi, collusion, or some other causative explanation or synchronistic mumbo-jumbo.
Since Tung stopped the experiment after the first winner, we can't assess the proportion of winners to losers directly (since we don't know how many more winners or losers there would have been if the experiment had run for the full five days), but we can still address the question by counting the wrong guesses preceding the right guess and seeing if that number is less than expected.
So the question is: how many wrong guesses would count as fewer than expected?
We had five wrong guesses followed by a right guess. (It's tempting to leave out Abe's guess of 2 cents, on the grounds that "some coins" means more than two, but let's resist the temptation.)
Let us derive the probability, assuming random guesses, of the game stopping within the first six guesses.
Code: [Select]Small print: Note: we want the probability of any of the first six
guesses being correct, not just the probability of the first five being
wrong and the sixth being correct.
To see the importance of this, imagine that the experiment had run a thoroughly
unremarkable course and finished at the one hundred and fifth guess.
Well, the probability of all the first 104 guesses being wrong and the 105th guess
being correct is actually pretty small, and does not bring out the unremarkableness
of this outcome; what is really unremarkable about it is not that the game finished on
the 105th guess (which is relatively unusual) but that it finished by the 105th guess
(which is relatively usual).
Reluctantly allowing 2 as an admissible answer, we have 198 possible answers (2 to 199 inclusive), so the chance of the game proceeding for n or more guesses without a winner is (197 / 198) to the power of n.
Thus the probability of the game proceeding for 6 or more guesses without a winner is 0.970077
Thus the probability of the game not proceeding for 6 or more guesses without a winner is 0.029923
That is, a chance of 1 in 33 that the game stops within the first 6 guesses.
Which is a wonderful result because it means, roughly, that the probability of the coin experiment turning out as well as it did is approximately the same as the probability of winning were the membership of SR to troop down to a casino and stake collectively on a single roulette number (chance of 1 in 37).
** edit ** by the way, it's crucial to this analysis that Tung didn't advise in advance that he'd stop the game when a winner emerged. Without this vagueness on Tung's part, the game would have been much harder to analyze, since the multiplier wouldn't be (197/198) each time, but a descending series (196/197) ... depending on the points at which Tung logged on in the interim and had a look at the guesses so far.
Tung, on this occasion (unlike some) one is indebted to you for your laid-back and semi-detached nature.
2. X's original xhosha remark very likely was, like in the case i reported, subconsious telepathic perception of G's thought.
I think we can agree it is non-shamanic, the question is if it is paranormal.
???
why?
Card Experiment
We have started a New Card Experiment.
There are three cards which have letters written on them. three letters in all which were selected according to the recomendations in the coin experiment. Three playing cards were drawn at random, using the table provided by emilio the letters were selected accordingly.
The three cards are lying on a black piece of paper on a white table with no other objects on the table, from left to right.
Members should guess the identity of the three letters in their correct sequence from left to right
each member will have one guess in the first round which will last until Thursday 8 pm Pacific coast time. at that time I will either announce a winner or start a new round. in the new round members will be allowed to guess again. round two will last until saturday noon, PCT at which time I will either announce a winner or start round three which will last until monday 8pm central time. At that time the experiment will be closed.
Members should refrain from multiple guess within a round.
members who post mulitple guesses within a round will have their posts deleted.
an e-mail has been sent to corey donovan who has agreed to be the witness to the experiment. The answers have been sent to him.
Re: Card Experiment
no winner
Round two begins now.
You may try again.
We will BTW use Emilio's point system if no one nails it, which means we'll have a winner one way or another.
Bye, Bye.
Good luck!
Re: Card Experiment
I'm going to start the third and final round a little early. I'll be offline shortly so go ahead and guess...........
We'll wrap it up Monday.
Re: Card Experiment
Hello fellow Sr Experimentors,
I hereby declare and officially proclaim that the card experiment is now over. (strikes gavel.....bam,bam)
(clears throat),
I do hereby and with all powers invested in me announce the following winners...............
Grand Prize....Ghost Dog
Ist Runner -Up.......Greg Mamishian
2nd-Runner-Up.......Tomahawk Kid
The correct answers are R-D-S
Ghost Dog guessed R-D-P in the first round and R-L-G in the 2nd.
Greg guessed F-D-K in the third round
Tomahawk Kid guessed A-D-L in the first round.
There were no other correct answers.
[...]
Congradulations Ghost Dog!
Thanks to everyone for making these experiments a lot of fun.
In all we had 21 guesses from 12 people. [...]
Now, among the 26 cubed (17,576) ways of guessing 3 letters against a target combination, we have the following (where "x^y" means x to the power of y, and where the binomial coefficients 1,3,3,1 appear in the last column)
1 way of getting 3 matches (that is, 25^0 times 1)
75 ways of getting 2 matches (that is, 25^1 times 3)
1875 ways of getting 1 match (that is, 25^2 times 3)
15,625 ways of getting 0 matches (that is, 25^3 times 1)
(which, as a check, add up to 17,576)
giving the following probabilities (assuming random guesses against a randomly chosen target)
.000057 chance of 3 matches (1 in 17,576)
.004267 chance of 2 matches (about 1 in 234)
.106680 chance of 1 match (about 1 in 9)
.888996 chance of 0 matches
and which, using your current scoring method, leads to an expected score for each guess of around 5.67, and an expected aggregate score for the 21 guesses of around 119.
[...]
Scoring the overall experiment by adding up the individual scores as you suggest (and which presumably is the proper thing to do, since that is what the participants were advised of at the time) gives a score of 733 [...]
So we can ask: what is the probability of the card experiment yielding a score of 733 or more, using your scoring method?
where we define "experiment" as being a sequence of 21 random guesses (we have to fix the number of guesses since, the expected outcome being positive, the more guesses allowed, the greater the expected score.)
The easiest thing to do now is simulate the experiment (that is, run a large number of trials, each trial consisting of 21 random guesses, adding up the score for each trial, and seeing how many trials yield a score of 733 or more.)
Doing this indicates the probablity of the card experiment coming out as well as it did as .0347 (1 in 29).
(As a check, this simulation also confirms the expected score for each guess as 5.67)
[... But] perhaps we could re-consider the method of scoring.
For example: a psi enthusiast would complain that your scoring method does not give enough credit to Ghost Dog for getting hits in both guesses (two hits in one guess and one hit in the other).
The probability of 2 or more hits in a single guess is about 1 in 234 (see above) but the probability of 3 or more hits distributed over two guesses is a much more impressive 1 in 959.
Lifting his score from 675 to 700 does not reflect this adequately.
Out of prison.... near the edge and ....
...opportunity for the dog to become .....should I say honest ?
Opportunity again...
Corey Donovan wrote (in this thread) :
"Here's the email I received from Tungsen when this experiment began:
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:01:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "leamon hill" <[email protected]> View Contact Details
Subject: Re: fun stuff
To: "Richard Jennings" <[email protected]>
Yes, thank you...Richard........ah.Corey.
You are Officially The Keeper of the Secret Answers which are..... R D S
They have to guess the letters for the grand prize. Emilio is giving points for each correct letter guessed so it's fun.
It will definetly go on through Thursday and if need be a round two for up to 7 days.
You'll just need to verify this email thread when the time comes. no rush.
Thanks,
Leamon "
Me:
Tungstenwhite (Leamon) is a liar. There were no secret answers . THe dog did know at least two letters.
Did he guess or did he know
he did know .......and you should tell us how
where is Tungstenwhite when he can be honest....??
laughing....
or the functions of paranoia.
dam.
[=blood, in Hebrew)or dome?
doom?
Dam.
Damm?
i hold back an impulse to delete it for fear to feel very stupid if non of it connected to anythingthat is something we dont want in guessing rounds. fear of failure or looking silly would only hinder guesses or report i think.
Re: James Randi at Caltech
Well firstly...
Of course the issue isn't that folks can't have similar dreams...
Why would that be a question? Let's see...why would self proclaimed magi fake magic...hmmm... if you've ever read much of this forum, that shouldn't be a question either.
Secondly.. I've talked about bumblebee turbulence several times... the main difference being that flying bumblebees are a common experience.
...the observation that technically they couldn't fly, was told to show science's incomplete understanding of flight... not to say they couldn't do it.
.... So if I'm reading you right, you're suggesting there is some yet unknown mechanism by which two people could share an objective dreaming environment. okay.
At this point, that's a religious belief, and you're welcome to it.
I have also commented on how Newtonian physics was once considered evidence for the "Young Earth" theory.
...and how science has been shrinking the realm of the mystical as a general trend, which will no doubt, continue into the future.
..... and that unknown areas in science are not "black boxes" where anything can happen.
So... just looking at these Golden Dawn guys...( btw... did you know there is a GD temple at the end of Branciforte there in Santa Cruz? Just learned of it myself... a woman named Joanna advertises Tarot classes, and claims a charter to initiate to the 3=10 Theoricus level)
Anyhow, anecdotes flow from them guys like political ads in October. Crowley supposedly tried to kill Mathers by possessing his hunting dogs, or the other way around, I forget, and generally.... I dunno... it's nothing to write home about...
There may be reasons to think that people can share a dreaming arena....
But those reasons aren't common experience or sense.
Even though we don't understand all the rules that comprise the universe... you can bet they're there and in effect.
Science does a good job of quantifying odd seldom seen phenomena... my favorite citation to that effect is ball lightening... very few people have ever seen it, but it's pretty much understood.
I cite that stuff to counter the argument that PSI phenomenon is too rare and unlabratorial (yeah, I know that's not a word) to be explored by science. Novas are rare and generally unseen too, same with meteorites.. but folks have figured that stuff out.
If there's something to the idea that people can dream together, there's gonna be some sign of it.
... I mean besides anecdotes, which you got to understand are just flying elephants.
... What's lacking is a falsifiable hypothesis.
Which btw, is exactly the problem with Bigfoot.... among other things.
My native language is Hebrew.
hello mr j,not posting together in a forum? ;D
in the casta system, for "dreamers" there is all sorts of weird ideas and things, dreaming together is one of them. the casta system is divided up by dreamers and stalkers. what is the stalker equivalent of dreaming together according to casta ?
it is remembering other peoples memories.
Just because I say "I think Castaneda invented a very great deal. Whole books even," now you're going around saying "you keep saying you don't believe this stuff"! It seems you can only handle extremes.
So let us try again:
(1) I think it probable that Castaneda met one or more native informants who were masters of unordinary awareness and set him on a path towards engaging with unordinary realities
(2) He was discombobulated by his experience and tried to make sense of it in libraries
(3) To get a PhD he wrote three rather good books which probably involved compromises
(4) After that, he tried a variety of different approaches. As he said in the Time interview (1973) "Now I'm at the edge, and I have to change my whole format. Writing to get my Ph.D. was my accomplishment, my sorcery, and now I am at the apex of a cycle that includes the notoriety. But this is the last thing I will ever write about don Juan. Now I am going to be a sorcerer for sure. Only my death could stop that."
(5) Some of what he did in the 1970s and 80s strikes me as very good. I call it Mission Schenectady. Some of it strikes me as fantastical, even phantasmagoric. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just saying.
(6) As for the 1990s ... I'm dubious about those night schools, sunday schools, seminars etc but as I don't know anyone who went to any (except for one person who reported that it wasn't what he was looking for and went to Brazil instead) I haven't made my mind up as to whether they were a noble misguided attempt or just a scam. Jokingly I call them the Hollywood version.
It isn't exactly easy, you know. It's no cinch putting whole inexplicable worldviews down on paper so that every burgher from Schenectady to Long Beach can understand.~Margaret Runyan, A Magical Journey with Carlos Castaneda.
I’m not a clone to follow a nicely written poem
Scriptures structured to make you comb through your thoughts, your dome
(the book "damnation alley" is about a world polluted radioactively, a condemned criminal get released if he will drive medicines to soult like city thru the hell of radioactive storm)
Am I faithful at heart and smart enough to find the right path?
Endure the wrath of a stormy past or will I be cast?
To a hell that no one can foretell if it exists
Or do we dwell in the midst of, if so I like Hell
so here I stand
Crossing hands, a man trying to understand
Whose book of plans should I follow if they’re written by hands
And the mome raths outgrabe.the text i reckoned was it's translation:
dam.a book X said - so concious and subconcious me tried to recieve Xtelepathicly and searched for books in the input.
[=blood, in Hebrew)or dome?
doom?
Dam.
Damm?
not posting together in a forum? ;D
gold on brown text? foreighn language? forein alphabeit? or red? picture? black small text in latin letters? a frame anyway, text behind it.
i think i'm seeing different books - there is a third, inspired by the voineech manuscript or something to that effect
google fu was not an hint or clue.yet you un-hint heleped me reckon that with such eminenant text as the jubberwocky poem, google can easily display many truthes with 4 corners - i mean many books with "jabberwokcky" in the seach term.
"To 'gyre' is to go round and round like a gyroscope. To 'gimble' is to make holes like a gimlet."-Humpty-dumpty made it perfectly clear.
Eric Noble:
...The Christopher Lee reading of Jabberwocky is inspiring. He could make the phone interesting to listen to.
...
Brian Sibley:
Regarding your comment that Christopher Lee "could make the phone [book] interesting to listen to": when writing my biography of Peter Jackson, I was sitting in a pub one day when I had a memorable phone call from Mr L that lasted best part of an hour (until the battery was almost dead and buried!) during which – among other things – he sang me his cut performance from Tim Burton's film of Sweeney Todd! I love him!
imagine casta books are an system. some good parts some bad. because the system is incoherent and parts are designed for one person,who? you?
given the task of extracting the good and leaving behind the bad, what concepts would you extract from the casta system ?hmm... some demanding tasks you have...
Z:
X:the bloodshed tube was also not an clue, just novel
a book X said - so concious and subconcious me tried to recieve Xtelepathicly and searched for books in the input.well - answered above - there are many search results with Jabberwocky searchwords.
it included
1.the book with "blood" witin the text on the cover (why don't i see any other words of this text? mabe for being flooded with information that far?)
2. 2 books mentioned in the song you, X, had in the background while writing your invintation for guesses. namely damnation alley and the voineech manuscript.
and why Jabberwocky?
so here I stand- i mis-red "books of plans" as "books of plants".
Crossing hands, a man trying to understand
Whose book of plans should I follow if they’re written by hands
הוא אבא![/quote] [he is a dad! he's a dad! he's not a mom, he's a dad!" and woke laughing.
הוא אבא! הוא לא אמא! הוא אבא!""
he word blood is indeed on the cover of the book that is touching my computer. it is such an minor word of those available that i at first didnt notice z had guessed it.this is and very strange - what do you mean by "such a minor word?"
what do you mean by "such a minor word?"
a geuss at last, Jufosito? wow, you are confident! as if sitting in the same room... holding back chuckles at my boasting with details...Quotewhat do you mean by "such a minor word?"
Maybe the book is a collection of blood curdling ghost stories and Mr X finds curdling a more major word than blood.
hello mr g,???
my activitys yesterday evening was to watch 1x04 eps1.3_da3m0ns.mp4 of mr robot, then read the knuth lecture pdf. i enjoyed both.
knuth pdf was good. the full book is probably really good. i was expecting it to be more complicated than it was.
A: prayer... i should be praying now that someone ask me an easier question! I believe it has great value but I don't know why.X? WTH? your taste is really strange.
Q: do you have any comments or conclusions regarding the existence or the nature of evil?
A: The question is, for example, why people are killed in wars? I'll be getting to this topic later on, but I don't have any insights that I haven't picked up from other people.
The book of job discusses this problem at length and tries to come to conclusions. And if you look at ten different commentaries… each one says that the conclusion was different. This proves, I think, that this is really a tough problem.
But still there must be something there, and we ought to ponder it. What would the world be like if there was no evil?
...Ask yourself what would you do if you were God and you wanted to deal with people on the earth; how would you present youeself?
Maybe the book is a collection of blood curdling ghost stories and Mr X finds curdling a more major word than blood.
meaningful [synchronicities] tend to come in meteoric showers scintillating and hinting at half-seen connections as though a woven fabric of intent pervades everything.
If there's something to the idea that people can dream together, there's gonna be some sign of it.
what is the probability that of the pre emptive dream numbers of g, the "miss x" who was set to pick 3 numbers, picked 2 of those by g. she was very ill when choosing the numbers. which will soon be fixed with antibiotics.
round 2 seems to be broken already.
Well, I think this will blow the sweet spot clear out of the water.
Well, can I put it in the nicest possible way and say that this thread seems to be just for fun. There are no serious skeptics here, we are all kind of OK with the idea of statistical normality being blown out of the water and not being much bothered by it. So why are we doing this?
what next ?
ppss.ok
the direct quote of miss - wanting more guesses "i want to play".
Ms Z I hope you also are finding this funny.
as soon as the car started driving forward, i mentioned (the relevant quote is accurate but my words in this may not be exactly what i said, but close enough)
"so if you want to guess something there is a book that-"
miss - "three! blue!"
"-has three words.."
"(god dammit)"
when i'll see i can enter more or less the sites i frequent, i might be more into savage laughter.- all my logins got un-logged, all my windows got closed. at least my history was not deleted, this time. you would expect it to run faster, very fast, without a zillion open tabs in 4 windows... but it got - and still is - extre-me-ly s-s-s-l-o-w.
Aspen: Bear in mind that each of the rounds so far has turned out in a different and unexpected way, united only by the theme "It's over as soon as (or even before) it's started".but not this round!
there seems to have been a synchronicity that sets the next round some time in advance:so: it is well established that the round was chosen at non-linea time, i.e. the time of my finding the books at different recycle bins.
i have very few books at my house... all found in recycle bins.
...the last picked-up one... - i took ... for the mere synchronicity to somthing forum4ic.
(besides, not for the first time. ... Bialick's poems - which i found just after writing a paraphrase of his eminent אל הציפור ("to the bird" or "greetings, lovely bird") poem on this very forum.
BUT (there IS a butt, yes)"in an formal round would this be allowed, would dam be considered the guess or blood. blood is an word on the cover of the book. …"miss - "three! blue!"
Yes it absolutely would be allowed.
Quote from: Z at SR, Thursday November 18th 2004My native language is Hebrew.
So look at this,
(http://zeta.forum4.org/pix/dam1.jpg)
The very first word posted in the forum, after your post, was dam, which in the native language of the poster means blood
(http://zeta.forum4.org/pix/dam2.jpg)
Now:
In answer to the new round's questionQuotecan you guess a word from the name? or all 3 words?
mis -, accordint to X, said:
"-has three words.."
"(god dammit)"
(in hebrew blue is כחול while pale blue is תכלת, thus percieved as a seperate color - as pink percieved different from red. so – is it language dependant? how many colors are they in Russian?)[/](providing my guess about miss-'s native language is accurate.)
blue...alas, I was wrong!
the cover background is changing from off-white to pale-blue.
i glimpsed into my cupboard where i keep my spare books, and - … the interested [one], since it gives a blue impression (background - pale blue +title - dark blue +background of patch + one more element.)So – from non-linea time I chose 2 books for guessing, and MisOneClap saw – or if you prefer, guessed - the other, which CAN be called "blue!"
since it became kind of traditional in this "game" to refer to and element of and hidden agenda along the "formal informal" one...
i want you to guess one of the 2 icons - the one on the back.
it gives a blue impression (background - pale blue +title - dark blue +background of patch + one more element.)
aspen:Oh dear! Tears of laughter rolling down. What to do? I invite guidance from the forum.what kind of guidance you need, aspenito? the kind one can't phathom without some nerdish disposition? (I spend the day trying to post, than trying to email you that i can't post and postponing the "game" until it is settled) a joke to laugh to? a quesion to dance on? or what?
P.S. jufo, your'e saying - wer'e winning some competition? big time?
what is the prize?
X: yes i agree that the round ended as soon as possible???
for starters there was more than 3 words on the cover of that book.sure; never said there were only 3.
can you guess a word from the name? or all 3 words?see?
X: that is the last guessing round to happen in this thread, any other attempts will be moved.
some outside force has been influencing the results of our rounds and guesses.duh
in this most recent thing,what? the number of words on the cover?
i dont think miss - guessed anything.o yes she did. instantly or not, cheekily or respectfully, enthusiastic or adequately somber response, followed by giggling or by sheer puke, wheather she had time to process the guess or just acted as her usual genius self - she guessed all right!
for starters there was more than 3 words on the cover of that book.
sure; never said there were only 3.
can you guess a word from the name? or all 3 words?
like in the game, a paraphraze on "who knows 20"
that is the last guessing round to happen in this thread, any other attempts will be moved.