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Swimming for my Dad / Re: general superparanatural exploration - part 2
« Last post by Mr X on 22 February 2016 10:57:15 PM »
hello mr g,

i dont know if you will see this but i am writing to you anyway.

i have 2016 set aside for version 4 of my system. version 3 in 2015 did not work out so i will have to reschedule that.

version 4 is pretty much about other people. participating in their worlds. one way of saying it would be - the goal is to participate while not believing in them. learn and interact but dont become caught up in the people. as i had never typed up a description of the holding pattern before talking about it with you, i am finding it hard to describe v4 too.

once i run out of versions i dont know what i will do with the remaining years.

mr x.
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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by Mr X on 22 February 2016 10:02:24 PM »
hello mr j,

so what happened, did the bishops plan work or not work ?
what was the fate of Gaspar Culan.

in the past few days i watched an show called vikings. the day i finished the 3rd season i was lucky, the 4th season started in america that day and was on ice.
pagans vs christians was a main theme during that tv show. it is something i have been thinking about, the old gods vs the new, or the none gods.

i would like to hear more.

ps. z, i have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, try to be more focused.

mr x.
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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by tally-ho! on 22 February 2016 03:49:18 PM »
*"red comrades" is a computer game – im my last post it "somehow, mysteriously" was displayed as merely an image. http://www.dailyapkmod.com/2015/08/red-comrades-2-apk-v10-full-data.html
so, Again:

Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev and his fellow aide Petka wake up to find themselves in a bad hangover and in a worse mood. They realize that someone has stolen the Red banner from the HQ. Our heroes are totally depressed with such a misfortune, just like every decent Red army fighters should be.
This unbearable offense leaves them no choice but to sneak into the enemy territory and to retrieve the precious banner.
Although it's not the end of the story yet! Somewhere on the moon, legions of alien invaders prepare to conquer Earth. But could such a little thing really give a scare to the Red Army heroes?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/415610/?l=schinese
http://www.dailyapkmod.com/2015/08/red-comrades-2-apk-v10-full-data.html
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/415610/header.jpg?t=1453713366
```
this time it is displayed as a link... yimken buqra [=maybe tomorrow]
tisbexu a^al haxeir [=nana tov] [but it's morning]
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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by tally-ho! on 22 February 2016 03:46:24 PM »
[i open a new thread for the mere reason that for - 2? 3 days? i am unable to post in the victor sanchez thread, or in the yuku board. each time i click "submit" (or "post" over there) i get "the webpage is not available". once the  whole multi-tabswindow was closed. it did appear in history - unlike last time when one didn't - but the post i was writing was deleted. luckily i copy-pasted it somewhere.
admin on charge - X? you are more then invited to move this post to the victor sanchez thread. thank you.
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http://www.forum4.org/index.php?topic=77.0 (reply#13

quote ju4o
 
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Mr x, "sayings like 'i will never drink again' or 'im going to change'. it causes a person to go inside themselves, looking for a solution that doesnt exist."

Tv z, "What about… not drinking?"

A good moment to bring in the other side of the story,

Gaspar Culan didn't believe the sun was a god.  At the age of twenty two, he had a plan.
martin Pretchel:
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his village of santiago atitlan would be fixed. repaired, taken out of the... old customs, taboo and primitivizm and a cycle of non-productive ceremonializm where people spent all their food and money... to feed a non-existent profusion of imagined deities, mixed and hybridized with uncanonized ...catholic images of saints.
sounds like a small-scale red comrades*  revolution!

*see my next post

even the sun god bit - look at the "international" lyrics (handily in my post above):

 
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if the great thunder rolls
Over the pack of dogs and executioners
For us the sun will shine like it used to
With the light of its rays

and if you think those God-less people, the red comrads, are too atheistic for such religious nonsense - look how that anthem begins:
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Get up, branded with a curse,
The whole of hungry people and of slaves.
branded with a curse.
 
do atheists believe in curses?
do communists like electric sheep?

The communist anthem also say, just like that 20 years old from pretchel's village (I avoid trying to open the thread to check the names – maybe later) - it's Gaspar Culan

 
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Only we    ...
Have the right to own the ground
But spongers - they will get it never!

  surprisingly, unlike Gaspar Culan, the Internationale does not under-estimate the sun god and "the breed of non-existent entities":
 
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And if the great thunder rolls
Over the pack of dogs and executioners
For us the sun will shine like it used to
With the light of its rays

are we dealing with mere poetic metaphores?
seriousely?

so did the sun shine for them as it used to?
yes, (minus 3%) for the new elite - but not for the peasants. nor for the laborers  - as the ultimate classical soviet Russian  joke states:

 when (like any simple mortal, alas!) Stalin passed away, he landed, naturally, in hell, where he met old Tzar Nicolay.
the Tzar was very sentimental.
"tell me, tovarish", said the Tsar, "is Russia still great and mighty?"
"obviousely" replied Stalin proudly.
"and the simple people are starving and herded to work as hard as they can?"
"of course!" boasted Stalin.
"and the secret police scare the hell out of the citizens?"
"rest assured!"
"and Sbyria is full of prisoners?
"overloaded!"
"and the vodka is still 70% alcohol?"
"the percentage of alcohol in the vodka is slightly reduced", said Stalin, slightly embarrassed, "it is 67% presently."
"thus tell me, tovarish", said the Tzar. "for merely  3%, was all this revolution worth while?"

Loose of 3% of your condolence… or is it a gain?
 X?
 When I was younger, and less in the know, I noted: each nation (mine included), gets "what it deserves", revolution or no revolution. there are communal "fates" which are, as this joke indicates, very hard (unless impossible) to shake.
Nowdays, I would agree with the internazional's conclusion: that each nation\tribe\family\group, is
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branded with a curse
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so was the curse removed as the internazional had promised? sunshine to the masses forever ?  .
nah, that was a practical joke.

 same "bunch of dogs and executioners".
same lady in a different gown.


  coatlicue, the Mayan goddess of fertility and natural disasters, a friend of ____,  (sorry, I try to google for details but all my new tabs go "this webpage is not available". it is 2-3 days i fail to post it on both boards -i'll post it as is. maybe later i'll complete.) - it's tlalok. god of storm, thunder and rain.
quote wikipedia:
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According to Aztec legend, she was once magically impregnated by a ball of feathers that fell on her while she was sweeping a temple, and subsequently gave birth to the gods Quetzalcoatl and Xolotl. Her daughter Coyolxauhqui then rallied Coatlicue's four hundred other children together and goaded them into attacking and decapitating their mother. The instant she was killed, the god Huitzilopochtli suddenly emerged from her womb fully grown and armed for battle. He killed many of his brothers and sisters, including Coyolxauhqui, whose head he cut off and threw into the sky to become the moon.wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coatlicue#Myths

I happened to read some PDF (in horrible Google translation) that was posted on  Dreamhackers.Eu, describing the Kremlin (full of occult -  link the 5 onions and you get a pyramid) – it's sorrounding walls, at the Tzars times,  where a site for criminal executions, the daesh style – a cannal ran under that wall  to drain the blood.
Brrr.

what's this obsession with decapitating?
does it have anything to do with "the eternals", which the only way to kill them is seperate their heads from their spine?


the new build "kremlin" at Ein-Karem. Grandessa!

i don't know how Russian simples are "branded"[=marked, as sheep are branded by the sign of their owner] maybe the communist red card i a modern mark.
nor do i know how Mayans are. my own people (some deliberate confusion between religion and nationality been created, to avoid unbranding) marked by cutting off male's foreskin when they are way too soft to resist or even remember the parental betrayal.

a bloody history of killing, pogroms and  one formal holocaust follows.
 
the Bolshevik thunder/sun gods/entities seem as fierce and violent as the Mayan mythical ones, those who gaspar culan didn't believe existed:

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If you want…
To win back your property -
You should fire up the furnace and hammer boldly,
while the iron is still hot!
and petty capitalists:
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Only we …
Have the right to own the ground
But spongers - they will get it never!

these BobSpongers strongly remind me of casta's "flyers".
Ravenna, the ex-leader of the DreamHackers, once wrote that Russia is deeply enslaved by the flyers, and encouraged her apprentices to spot the difference since the last 2 centuries.
Reading casta's books, it never occurred to me those "inorganics" could have anything to do with advanced technology;
But if what the guys from DreamHackers.Eu describe  are the flyers/ "the archons" (mental parasites mentioned in the Gnostic scripture, similar to DJ's description of the flyers – both "give" each person, when born, "their own soul" and leaving his original one in comma for life) or a partial group of those – then it includes technology, implants, as well as bureaucracy…

few - including Ravenna - have described how a sharp object was stuck into their upper palate in dreaming. painful thing. i mention it because, although i have no such memory, i have a needle-like object stuck in my upper gum, where a tooth is missing. rentgen does not detect it, thus no dentist is ready to  admit it's existence - let alone take it off - though at some point i could lift it's end with my fingers - like a fish's bone, thin, transparent, flexible - planned to take it off by myself with twisars, but too late.

what do you have to contribute, AproditeCak?
is "black habiru**" "the mark of the beast" i'm after?
what else?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BFRYoVtIg&feature=youtu.be

A shamanic defence for the sun from malevolent spirits during it's daily travel
the mysts of Avalon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISDqBm37zos 
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** my Preciousss explained on DreamHackers.Eu at length (deleted since from the public part) - some sort of black mark on some spot along the spine, which causes the individual's sexual energy to  shift from the genitals to the anus. she noted that it "frees" the focus on family bonds and suchlike and creates "more free" (literally more gay) society. but this, i reckon, is a marking for high casts, particularely those involved with sorcery;  not laborars".)

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*see my next post

P.S. aspen, x and the rest of the gang - merlin, tosk, g, ju4o, ha9cards - following this review, i'm sure you can see how come i don't want to be tagged as "tovarish" or "Tv" or even "comrade" - find something else, or skip any title. z, z woman , is good enough. thank you.

~edited three times by me~
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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by ju4o on 21 February 2016 09:51:40 PM »
This is ongoing commentary, as you and Tv Z have picked up on the inebriation factor in the story so far and appear to be interested in more detailed information about it.

Gaspar Culan, at the time of these events, was a candidate for the priesthood, and he was soon identified by the bishop as a secret weapon in the church's long campaign to put an end to the practice of the Old Ways which so persistently depleted the ranks of the clergy.

"For forty years [the bishop's] predecessors were consistently foiled by the persuasive and charming nature of the Tzutujil and their old ecstatic rituals, which had in several instances even seduced the priests and nuns assigned to the village into leaving the church and marrying each other.  The bishop had reasoned that if Gaspar Culan, who was the son of respected shamans and idol-worshipping traditionalists, could be made into the town's Catholic priest, then it would follow that the traditionalists' back could be broken and the entire younger generation would lay down their idols and come in with their hands raised."

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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by Mr X on 20 February 2016 09:18:55 PM »
hello mr j,

who is Gaspar Culan, how does he fit into this ?

x.
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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by tally-ho! on 17 February 2016 12:09:56 PM »
http://www.forum4.org/index.php?topic=81.msg1361#msg1361

it's a post i have written for this thread, but couldn't post for some time (and no wise-ass editor to blame!) - eventually, folowwing a hint, i opened new thread.

 seems now i can copy it here, delet it there.

any problem with anybody if i do that?
no answer i'll take for yes.
you (whoever) can answer somewhere else though.
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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by ju4o on 12 February 2016 10:32:34 PM »

Mr x, "sayings like 'i will never drink again' or 'im going to change'. it causes a person to go inside themselves, looking for a solution that doesnt exist."

Tv z, "What about… not drinking?"

A good moment to bring in the other side of the story,

Gaspar Culan didn't believe the sun was a god.  At the age of twenty two, he had a plan.


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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by tally-ho! on 11 February 2016 09:06:56 AM »
Guys
Chilba
Chilba's Bosss
Vasily Ivanovich Chapayev, a Red Army hero of the Russian Civil War, in the rank ofDivision Commander… officially, he was gunned down by the Whites while attempting to flee across the Ural River after a lost battle
Chapayev is usually accompanied by his aide-de-camp Petka (Петька, "Peter"), as well as Anka the Machine-Gunner  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_jokes#Chapayev

 Vasili Ivanovitch, go on swimming! Don't stop! Vasily Ivanovitch, strive! Vasili Ivanovitch, throw already this heavy chemedan kibinimat!

 my negotiation post, was exiled from the victor sanches threadto  Написал идиот -junk thread- oops! not at "τεχνική"?
no! it's in "discussing business board"!  which is a private area!
but wasn't it in "τεχνική" earlier today? i'm confused.
so I can't quote it?
hmm...
(where was the panther post  posted originally?)

so, I'll post this in the Sanchez  thread, to make it visible.

Russia. 1917AD.
Wounded Red Army commander Chapaev tries to cross the Ural river, but he catches enemy'a bullet. Looks like this is the end… But all of a suddena tractor beam from the space delivers Vasiliy Ivanovich to the space ship. After the chain of inhuman experiments, about which Chapaev would better forget, aliens transform his body into a killer-machine - terminator. This is where the story begins.
the leopard pic  (there in "junk" ) remind me of "the black panther" – a red-army game (according to - I'm not too proud to confess – some Russian ex of mine, the one who educated me with the Vasily Ivanovitch Chepaev franchise )
 
"black panter" game  goes: each officer pour himself half a glass vodka,   half - black beer. a servant enters the room, stipulating: "tovarishei, the panter  arrived!" each officer drinks half of his glass and ducks under the table.
the servant returns: "tovarishi, the panter have left!" the officers crawl back to their sits and fill their glasses with black beer. and so on.
the winner is the last who  manage to rise from under the table.
there is also a  "white panther", where the fill-up is vodka.

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Telling jokes about the KGB was considered to be like pulling the tail of a tiger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_political_jokes#KGB

Now the Pretchel hang-over quotes:
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I rolled and staggered to the doorway.  The delicious morning lake air fled in front of an onslaught of heavy perfume.  Not knowing who to expect, what I saw inspired me to fake a sober air.
did he see his mother in low?  a starving forgotten ancient local god? a panther? a KGB (or more modernly FSB) agent?
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x: …ceremonial hangover is an nice thought. ive never really thought about how that could be part of a tribal or spiritual group experience.

Here is an example to that – I bumped into it (call it "synchro" if you will) trying to find a vasily Ivanovitch pic


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Stierlitz is a fictional Soviet intelligence officer, portrayed by Vyacheslav Tikhonov in the popular Soviet TV seriesSeventeen Moments of Spring.
Stierlitz wakes up in a prison cell. "Which identity should I use?" he wonders. "Let's see. If a person inblack uniform walks in, I must be in Germany so I'll say I'mStandartenführer Stierlitz. If they wear green uniform, I'm in USSR so I'll admit I'm Colonel Isayev". The door opens and a person in a grey uniform comes in saying, "You really should ease up on vodka, Comrade Tikhonov!"
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hangovers are an good clean cheap renewable source of pure temporary anxiety. pure because it happens for no reason. well the reason is the hangover but even if you drank in a isolated white room, do nothing to harm yourself or embarrass yourself, it will still happen. and it will pass.
Which somehow remind me of a joke my dad was telling:
In a diplomatic party in Washington the Russian ambassador, excited with vodka, tells a comrad: "vasia, let's do something special! Let's express ourselves! Lets – let's shit on the piano!"
"leave it, my friend", answers Comrad J, "they wouldn't understand the  wholeheartedly Russian soul!"
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X: an good clean cheap renewable source of pure temporary anxiety.
Is there such a thing as "a good anxiety"?
Are you overtaking anxiety deliberately, Are you looking for a handy source of anxiety of some sort, Chilba?
 Why?
 
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if you know thats why the anxiety exists, it sorta breaks it, you just wait for it to pass. however, if you dont know - the brain automatically tries to reconcile or understand the anxiety or fear, resulting in - ta da - introspection at a deep level. hence sayings like 'i will never drink again' or 'im going to change'. it causes a person to go inside themselves, looking for a solution that doesnt exist.**
"and is it good?" as my late little girl would have asked here.
And my Chilba answers:
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which is not really a bad thing.
Hmm. What's good in that loop?
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i am enjoying this discussion so far, not annoying.
nice, but why did you exile my negotiation post to the junk? And once again behind the veil?
Cak dila, Preciousss AfroditaCak?
are you trying to humiliate me? turn the whole thing into a farce?
Farce is good. I think I can write a good one.
 "Russian practical jokes" could entertain us much, much longer***…
So, Chilba –
Would you claim it's a misunderstanding Again? as when I registered to forum4, When you said you have thought my first post was some more Russian span, thus you deleted it along with the user?
 I reckoned that your opening the sanchez thread was your accepting my single prior condition – that we go to the open?
Or did   Preciousss just contemptuously rejected my proposal, not even bothering to answer?
Wait a minute… I DID quote that suggestion – it is absent now, on both boards!
So the yuku "forum4" is also not immune from stuff being deleted??
Oo…
thus so far my thread (over there)  "negotiation II"
is incomprehensible to anyone outside! – for the offer to conduct negotiation is absent.
Grrrrr!
Well… to qote someone – incomprehensibility is so, so sexy!
-   Well… my term that you say as much as "yes" or "yes" was never met actually…
Oh, well, thus no negotiation.
And I thought Preciousss, you would feel at home…being so sweetly accustomed to negotiating in the cellar, near the garbage…
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** doesn't exist? What about… not drinking?

*** "The guy over there saved my life yesterday, I am really grateful to him." / [???]" [a single shut]/ "The one that has fallen!"


 (this is a joke my mom was telling when inspired. yes, she had this tendency  for gross, shit and  fart jokes).Ivan, a soldier In the tzar army, could play the royal anthem from  behind;  thus in any celebration he was lifted  on a barrel, dropping his pants and trumpeting the anthem.
Years passed, times changed, now Ivan is a soldier in the red Army.
on a great triumph celebration his friends insisted: "Ivan – now that you are a red soldier – you should play the internazional!"
"well… I can try", Ivan said.
The barrel was positioned, Ivan climed it, droped his pants, and began trumpeting:
"Get up, branded with a curse,
The whole of hungry people and of slaves…"

until "We will destroy all the world with violence Completely" he got alright, but when he got to the new world, he went to shit!
http://www.dailyapkmod.com/2015/08/red-comrades-2-apk-v10-full-data.html

  The Internationale
 Get up, branded with a curse,
The whole of hungry people and of slaves.
Our indignant mind is boiling (with anger)
And ready to lead us in a mortal fight.
We will destroy all the world of violence
Completely, and then
We (will built) our (world), we will built the new world -
Who was nothing will become everything.
Chorus:
This is our last
And all-out fight.
By the international
The human generation will revive!
Nobody can make us free:
Neither God, nor tzar and nor a hero.
We'll get the liberation
By our own hands.
If you want to overthrow the oppression by your skillful hand,
To win back your property -
You should fire up the furnace and hammer boldly,
while the iron is still hot!
Only we, the workers of international
Of great army of labour
Have the right to own the ground
But spongers - they will get it never!
And if the great thunder rolls
Over the the pack of dogs and executioners
For us the sun will shine like it used to
With the light of its rays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8bFsNyqvqw
 
edited twice by History and twice by me
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New age myths / Re: Victor Sanchez - Toltecs Of The New Millennium
« Last post by Mr X on 09 February 2016 02:46:18 PM »
very interesting quotes.

now i want to know what happens after the last quote.

hangovers are underrated, anyone can drink and be merry and enjoy it.

ceremonial hangover is an nice thought. ive never really thought about how that could be part of a tribal or spiritual group experience.

hangovers are an good clean cheap renewable source of pure temporary anxiety. pure because it happens for no reason. well the reason is the hangover but even if you drank in a isolated white room, do nothing to harm yourself or embarrass yourself, it will still happen. and it will pass.

if you know thats why the anxiety exists, it sorta breaks it, you just wait for it to pass. however, if you dont know - the brain automatically tries to reconcile or understand the anxiety or fear, resulting in - ta da - introspection at a deep level. hence sayings like 'i will never drink again' or 'im going to change'. it causes a person to go inside themselves, looking for a solution that doesnt exist. which is not really a bad thing.

i am enjoying this discussion so far, not annoying.

mr x.
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