Post by: ju4o on 10 January 2013 07:52:28 PM
Hopefully a polyharmonic buzz started by people who did not make up their minds may elicit helpful contributions from people who did
Myth (Gk μῦθος), story told to illustrate a supposedly deep truth, may be founded in fact or fiction
New Age, the trans-global cross-fertilization of myth which began in the 18th and 19th centuries in British India Russian Central Asia and the Americas
The myth of the warrior sage ... of the gait of yu ... the tale of the four arrows ... the way of the mountain echo ... of the trickster sorcerer ... the myth of the lyrical anthropologist ... so many myths, so few contributors to the forum (so far) (joke)
~j
Post by: Mr X on 20 January 2013 03:53:18 PM
the myth - that the new age, any part of it and its belifs, has any affect, on anything, at all. any of it. that some of it actually works.
so, does it ? any of it, even one single part of it. clearly it changes peoples perception of the world. but not wearing socks anymore also changes perception of the world. new age myths are pretty far reaching, stupidly big scope too, is there any good in what must be lots and lots of bad ?
mr x.
Post by: ju4o on 20 January 2013 11:25:03 PM
An example that springs readily to mind is acupuncture. Because of being medical (or at least quasi-medical) it has had a fair amount of scientific research done on it.
By now it's scientifically respectable to suggest that acupuncture might work in at least some ways. People will still disagree of course but the debate has begun.
So there is progress.
Perhaps you are hoping for a more whimsical example. Problem is, you seem to be a wilful sceptic. Calling yourself Mr X does not help either. It might be difficult for you to persuade new agers to talk about their favourite new age practices.
Post by: ju4o on 22 January 2013 09:29:55 AM
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the debate has begun.
There used to be a nice clean pattern where in odd-numbered years opinion swung in favour of acupuncture and in even-numbered years it swung against.
But in 2008, annoyingly, two reports came out in the same year, one against and one in favour.
This seems to have disrupted the trend because, since then, it has been the other way round: in even-numbered years opinion swings in favour of acupuncture, while in odd-numbered years it swings against.
~~~wiki:
In 2003 the World Health Organization's Department of Essential Drugs and Medicine Policy produced a report on acupuncture. The report was drafted, revised and updated by Zhu-Fan Xie, the Director for the Institute of Integrated Medicines of Beijing Medical University. It contained, based on research results available in early 1999, a list of diseases, symptoms or conditions for which it was believed acupuncture had been demonstrated as an effective treatment, as well as a second list of conditions that were possibly able to be treated with acupuncture.
A 2004 Cochrane Review initially concluded that acupuncture appeared to be more effective than antiemetic drugs in treating postoperative nausea and vomiting, but the authors subsequently retracted this conclusion due to a publication bias in Asian countries that had skewed their results.
A poll of American doctors in 2005 showed that 59% believe acupuncture was at least somewhat effective for treatment of pain.
In 2006, a BBC documentary Alternative Medicine filmed a patient undergoing open heart surgery allegedly under acupuncture-induced anesthesia. It was later revealed that the patient had been given a cocktail of weak anesthetics that in combination could have a much more powerful effect.
Professor of Complementary and Alternative Medicine Edzard Ernst and his colleagues have produced regular systematic reviews of the acupuncture literature. In 2007, they concluded that "the emerging clinical evidence seems to imply that acupuncture is effective for some but not all conditions."
A 2008 review examined randomized controlled trials on the effects of the PC6 point, as well as points thought to rely on the same meridian, at preventing PONV within the first 24 hours of surgery. Three of the ten studies found statistically significant evidence that acupuncture could prevent PONV though comparison of the studies is difficult due to the use of varied methodologies (different patient groups, different ways of stimulating the PC6 point such as a needle versus finger pressure versus a special bracelet, timing and length of application of pressure, the use of one versus both arms, whether a general anaesthetic was used, and the mixture of men and women in the studies). The reviewer ultimately concluded that "due to the lack of robust studies, [this review] found that neither acupressure nor acupuncture was effective in preventing or managing PONV in adults" and suggested further research to clarify issues such as the length and type of stimulation applied, training of those applying stimulation and gathering data, risk factors for PONV, inclusion of proper placebos, and the analysis of specific population. The author also suggested disagreement with previous systemic reviews were due to their inclusion of older studies with poorer methodologies, while the more recent, better quality studies included in the review offered more negative results.
The Osteoarthritis Research Society International released a set of consensus recommendations in 2008 that concluded acupuncture may be useful for treating the symptoms of osteoarthritis of the knee.
A 2009 review, however, concluded that the specific points chosen to needle does not matter, and no difference was found between needling according to "true" points chosen by traditional acupuncture theory and "sham" acupuncture points unrelated to any theory.
A 2010 systematic review ... suggested that acupuncture is more than a placebo for commonly occurring chronic pain conditions, but the authors acknowledged that it is still unknown if the overall benefit is clinically meaningful or cost-effective.
A 2011 assessment of the quality of randomized controlled trials on TCM, including acupuncture, concluded that the methodological quality of most such trials (including randomization, experimental control and blinding) was generally poor, particularly for trials published in Chinese journals (though the quality of acupuncture trials was better than the drug-related trials).
A 2012 meta-analysis found significant differences between true and sham acupuncture, which indicates that acupuncture is more than a placebo when treating chronic pain (even though the differences were modest and non-specific effects were still considered an important part of the therapeutic effect).
:wiki~~~
So will 2013 continue the recent trend whereby odd-numered years highlight the forces of reaction, or will it revert to the earlier trend according to which odd-numbered years are favourable to acupuncture? Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets. Maybe forum4 should open a betting section.
Post by: ju4o on 26 January 2013 05:32:11 PM
http://spiritualitydiscussiongroup.yuku.com/topic/854/paranormal-phenomena (http://spiritualitydiscussiongroup.yuku.com/topic/854/paranormal-phenomena)
Post by: Mr X on 27 January 2013 04:47:05 PM
i think we need, for the sake of discussion direction, to define the line between new age and alternative medicne.
acupunture, due to haveing some research behind it, is an go to point for new age. but it cant be new age, due to being consistantly so old and on going.
new agers cant claim old age things is what i am saying. now, other chinee things such as meridians, that is old, but to me, also new age.
some definitions would be good, where do we draw the lines. the new age will take you from worlds in orions belt to the hollow earth, the mythology created in an period of decades is massive, but does it really go back to ancient china ?
there is and gap, and big need to investigate, the new age has all the answers and willing seeker could ever want. we need to know if it has any answers, and if so, what is the location of the answer. i dont think we are going to solve this mysteries, but there is no harm in trying.
if an person was really looking at it, they would notice where the new age overlaps, more than contradicts, then study the points of overlap, the points that come up again and again. do those repeated, constantly noticed points have any value, at all ?
for the sake,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p07Qdq2Jzv0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp95olCn3lY
mr x
Post by: ju4o on 28 January 2013 03:08:14 PM
Good question. Here are some to be getting started with.
(http://zeta.forum4.org/pix/aculin.jpg)
Post by: Mr X on 29 January 2013 06:02:49 PM
My first thought is that it would be nice to talk to bmass, see why they are not on the bottom line. i didnt know france would enter the equation.
next thought is that we should, with the use of tech and wonder ful things such as google maps, divide up the world into segments. with quick and clear definitions, group up the world with some lists of established, ongoing systems.
the new age is not an religion or nation, at the most its an movement. if we can remove from its definition established old age things, we perhaps could see where the new age is, in an way. its like how an persons religion is an result of where they were born. maybe the old age is all that keeps the new age running, aside from the pile of new age stuff that seems to come from nowhere.
the need to define new from old age is important. quackery from alt medicine also. we would be wasting our time trying to debunk or investigate acupuncture or tai chi. they are not new, so therefore out of the scope of new age myths.
the universe is amazing, space is so cool, but for now, and video game. the mysteries of the ages await, but video, mopeds, wine and ciggarettes, a reliable woman that i love, those things consume me. a baby kookaburra that i feed steak to in the morning. im going to go find an hemmingway book one day soon.
despite all that, lets do this. i will add "talk with bond about the mysteries and their possible locations" to my daily to do list.
just keep in mind i an 100% sceptic, (not as lifestyle choice, but i cant help but be), 50% agnostic, 30% toltec sympathiser.
mr x
ps.
just adding vid for merls, i know he is out there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSFT2OKcdk0
Post by: Merlin on 30 January 2013 12:26:18 AM
Yes, still out here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-4u9W-bns
Post by: ju4o on 31 January 2013 09:27:05 AM
But new age adherents generally think and/or hope that new age wisdom is fundamentally ancient.
And in at least some cases quite likely it really is.
Post by: ju4o on 31 January 2013 09:31:11 AM
P.S. if new age wisdom is supposed to be fundamentally old, you might well ask why is it called new age.
Good question. But there is a good answer.
What is new about the new age are the global interconnections which make ancient wisdom more easily accessible (since approx the 17th century) and the tools of reason and science which can now (since approx the 18th century) more readily be brought to bear on it, than in the old days when it was more shrouded in mystery and difficult-to-challenge dogma.
Basically the new age is about liberation from hidebound dogmatix.
Doncha think.
Post by: Mr X on 01 February 2013 05:32:46 PM
we could look at the buddhist side. for the rest of our lives. or we could check out the crystal thing, where is it from, the history, the application, the results. fairly quickly (due to interconnection called the internet). and move on. to the next one, of thousands. that with google and all, we can filter pretty quick.
but, i very much do see your point. especially the second post point. well that is and nice way of looking at it, new to me. i still do highly doubt that 90% of new age people / business / groups have any (direct) connection to anything ancient.
perhaps thats an good filter if looking for stuff. direct connection to old age is an flag, an raised point of interest.
there is also the problem - that if something is valid, such as it works as advertised, or the "location of answer", the location could be anywhere, or anything. it could be buried deep within the highs and lows of emotions. how do you measure or GPS coordinate that. but its something, that is there, for good or bad, and can be returned to, referred too. i doubt it can be scientifically measured for now, but if it is actually real, one day it will be located with tech and science. until then, there must be some other way to map out things, if they are even there.
merlin, well we obviously have to try to meet in the middle somewhere music wise, im trying to get the feel of what you like, but just saying the second vid was way better than the first. i didnt like it at first but once it got going it was enjoyable. i dont have much time for tube right now so i will go with this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyu1KKwC74
x
Post by: Merlin on 01 February 2013 10:01:06 PM
Post by: Mr X on 05 February 2013 07:15:42 PM
while it is possible to interpret your text and apply it to the new age, the converstation seems to have stalled for an moment.
so for now, i think we should probably set up and off topic forum section for tuping or other side interests. as bond doesnt tupe, it is sort of rude of us to add them in or talk about them in the middle of real talk. i think that would work for now, if the forum got more busy they could probably go back into talk posts without any disruption.
and other thing - as the forum is small at the moment, nice and cool and chill, i would very much like to know some more about the other forum memebers. it is only natural to be curious. for instance if we suddenly got 50 memebers overnight i would probably use my admin powers to go back and edit out anything from my own posts that i would deem too personal, such as day z talk. but for now, while we are here, whats up.
why are we in an nice but quiet forum discussion the myths of the new age ?
why are you here ?
who on earth are you ?
whats your rational mind vs new age sympathy ratio ?
any thoughts about the forum, how it could grow and what we will discuss ?
any thing else ?
for me, this is my personal perspective, i am both interested and not interested in the new age myth investigation. is hard to explain. i am interested, very, but not, because very few things in life actually really interest me. due to, roughly, not caring about anything. i dont mean to sound douche baggy, just trying to describe my view on life as it sits. the fact i will die one day bothers me, and i have zero faith in mankind. for now thats the best i can describe it, i might be able to do better some other time. i would like to know the position of you guys, your view on life itself, or on simple things like the forum and its direction, just talk in general.
why not.
mr x.
ps.
set up the off topic sub forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCQhuuUKL6g
Post by: Mr X on 11 February 2013 06:03:55 PM
the number one clue is that we went from myths of new age to sweet ruthless caring about. why is that ?
i have asked some legitimate, reasonable questions, if such simple questions cant even be answered by and small private group, what else is there to ask or converse about.
it is possible, that conditioning from years of thightly wound, tense posting on SR could put people on the defecnce. like how serious posters on reddit.com become hyper aware of spelling and grammer.
being open and clear, just saying stuff about what you think, is not bad. here you can just say it, you dont need to justify or prove what you think off the bat (though in the course of an normal converstation, needing some backing up thoughts would happen), just saying is and step.
that is all fine and good, there are numerous reasons why blurting out what you actually think online is something to be cautious of.
what is not fine and good, is acting as if the question was never asked. carrying on.
so, aside from the questions already asked, i add, why the change to the sub forum name and description ?
i do expect answers to these questions.
if there is no answers, i will still participate.
x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg
Post by: âspen on 12 February 2013 12:33:44 PM
At first I thought it was probably a problem with the webhost (dreamhost) because the symptoms seemed to fit perfectly with ability to read but inability to update the database. (Being able to log on without updating the database is imaginable; being unable to log off without updating the "last active" field in the user's profile is also imaginable.)
But on cursory investigation it seemed the database connection was working fine. The problem was more likely somewhere else.
The situation needed a cry for help.
Also, it needed a holding message on the front page of the forum so that forum members and visitors could have some idea of what was happening.
So the question was, what minimal and easily undoable change to preferably a single field in the database would meet both these needs at the same time with maximum immediacy?
(http://zeta.forum4.org/pix/1301b.jpg)
Later, after the problem was fixed (see other thread), the question was whether to change things back to what they were before, or to try something new.
Well by that time the conversation had moved on to things like what is the forum about and what do we care about.
Here are some thoughts ... what would be wonderful is a forum where skeptics and believers can passionately engage. Sustained Reaction came close sometimes, but it was not sweet enough. The Hat is giving it a good try, but it is not ruthless enough. Can we envisage a place that is sweeter than SR and more ruthless than the Hat.
Post by: Mr X on 12 February 2013 04:06:59 PM
i dont think i saw the php edit, only the existential crisis one.
your thoughts are also welcome. before reading that, my list of what merlin wants from the forum would be -
1. i dont know.
i would, with you in particular especially, like to know an little bit more background. such as, i have no idea if you ever studied castaneda or not or why you were at SR.
for bond, correct me if im wrong or thinking of someone else, i think he has some connection to things like tai chi perhaps, possibly works in new age fields or something associated with, has an nice interest in science, and how it applys to mysteries. he has an abstract yet analytical mind, sometimes too abstract for others (such as senor). a world traveller, interested in an vast range of things. crappy internet at home. for you, my list of merlin things is
1. does computer stuff, i dont know. soft ears. family man.
not that i am keeping lists.
the idea of belifers and skeptics is great thought. im on board for that. i think i actually know what you are saying.
when active on SR i kept tabs on all toltec releated sites, about once per week, including the hat. i havent' done so in some time, so am not aware of the hat activities. but knowing that forum their "try" would be limited by small audience and general slowness.
understandably, SR could not possibly be kind enough. too strict, for no their own reasons.
as i came late to the SR party, i understand you guys are more familiar with each other than i am familiar with you, hence questions. and i understand i missed the point where/when it came close. i does seem there were many great intelligent posters over the years that were driven away.
i can certainly envisage the forum you describe. there would have to be parameters, such as "no super Hawaiians". limits on acceptable behavior, such as obvious no threats, no excessive insults or abuse. aside from the very basics, if the admins have no hard agenda, if everyone is free to speak and explore differing points of view in an civil manner, i dont see a problem, it could and should work.
ruthless side i guess, would be not taking a person seriously when they preach about being an level 5 laser lotus. perhaps.
i do think the vast majority of casta belifers wouldnt post on an forum about their life. especially post and be 100% honest. i also think most skeptics wouldnt' want to debate with belifers as there is no point. but for the portion of each side that do want to have discuss, giving an stable platform for them to do so is an good idea.
so and bit of soft,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if-UzXIQ5vw
and some not soft,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlXaWf0luM
it seems.
x
Post by: âspen on 12 February 2013 06:08:34 PM
The idea is that ideally admins should not have to play much if any part in the conversation but for a small start up forum that is not easy.
Faute de mieux it can be a good idea for admins to have separate posting identities for when they are being admins from when they are being their passionate selves.
But then it is important the alias should be clear. I did explain this when I first introduced myself but that was a while ago. I should think of another way of making it clear.
Also if you look back through the conversations there is a place where I made a third posting identity which I explained as follows,
(http://zeta.forum4.org/pix/f4.6.30.jpg)
Anyway to recap just these 3 are me.
P.S. after writing all that and checking back in to the forum to post it I couldn't help laughing when I saw again yr first line, "thanks for that merlin. that clears things up." Well I hope now things are clearer!
* edit * P.P.S. flattered as well as honoured
Post by: Mr X on 15 February 2013 03:10:12 PM
yes it is pretty funny. i can remeber asscociating ju40 with touring machine way back early on, but it didnt click. ive said it before and will say again, im not an fan of multiple user names, due to the weirdness it has caused in casta net and the whole sock puppet thing they are so fond of.
my questions towards merls still stand, but now i guess they count for you to ju40.
i dont see how an start up forum could be without admins posting early. 100 members, sure, we could blend into the crowd. last time i looked, sr seemed to be just admins with maybe the occasianal ginko. but sr has been for an long time admin guided based. and its not great, stifling infact.
i dont mean to offend anyone for the outer sattelite casta net forums, but consolidating user bases and data of mostly redundant forums is an idea worth looking into, to build up an user base. some autonomy allowed in terms of subforums, i dont know, just and suggestion.
my interest is also peaked now, why would you be flattened and honored to be merlin ? is he some saint that we should be so lucky to be mistaken for ? i would like to know. and the original post is now double questions, such as ju40, what brought you to sr in the first place ?
i too did laugh out loud.
x
Post by: Merlin on 15 February 2013 06:57:56 PM
Quote from: Dave
....why would you be flattened and honored to be merlin ? is he some saint that we should be so lucky to be mistaken for ?
The guy (Merlin) created stonehenge!
Doesn't qualify for sainthood, but is impressive enough.
You really should be aware that Ra6 "doesn't do" questions.
What questions do you want answering?
I like the caring about link
Post by: Mr X on 16 February 2013 06:32:44 PM
did he really create stone hedge ? i would need some citations to consider that.
i actually started to like that merlin show, then it ended. what is the best version of the merlin story ? excalibur movie, mists of avalon, that 21 lessons of merlin book from an sketchy source, or something else ?
let me think, what questions. possibly, since bond doesnt do questions, i will ask you 2.
1. why doesnt bond do questions.
2. what brought you and bond to sr, which led you to being here now. what is your point of interest, are you new agers, ex-casta net junkies, what.
just asking as it would be stupod of me not to ask. curiousity is all. if you asked me questions i would probably either not answer or skirt around them. but i have to ask. as i would like to know, to satiate my brian.
if you dont answer, then for the rest of my life on earth, i will always wonder about the answers. when i am 80 i will think "why did bond not do questions". but if you dont anwser i will also understand we are an disparate group trying to achieve something rather big without letting personal concerns or even the chance of establishing friendship and understanding of each other get in the way. there is nothing wrong with that, i would just like to know which way we are going.
that too i can understand, if we are all business here then just let me know, is fine with me. i will focus on the forum only, i am also curious as to how that will pan out.
i was serious about consolidation by the way. consider me not part of the diplomacy crew if that were to happen, i am sure you guys have more contacts and could put it on the table in an better way.
my other link seemed to have died, so here it is again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fYreJcrtDU
x
Post by: ju4o on 17 February 2013 01:38:24 PM
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"doesn't do" questions
The august and excellent merlin is exaggerating. As he occasionally does. Your questions may be good and well worth addressing. Note also,
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as the forum is small at the moment, nice and cool and chill, i would very much like to know some more about the other forum memebers. it is only natural to be curious. for instance if we suddenly got 50 memebers overnight i would probably use my admin powers to go back and edit out anything from my own posts that i would deem too personal, such as day z talk.
An unarchived email list solves all the problems which are currently swirling about this thread. Forum + email list is a good mix of technology. Please see new thread in τεχνική.
~j
Post by: Mr X on 18 February 2013 03:12:34 PM
the email seems like an good idea. i will need some further explantion of how it works. i think i have signed up to it, but we will discuss in the other thread.
i would i like to ask, as an general questions, peoples positions on data value / piracy. for instance, the question is, is there any problem taking all that data sustained action gathered, and hosting it. what are the moral implications of consolidation/building and grass roots forum / building user and database - if this forum is an real endevour, it means long term, such as possible and decade and beyond. data gathering and preservation seems logical.
my answer to that question is yes.
i will give my reasoning on the email list when we are sure it is working.
it reminds me of back to basics indeed. wasnt there email lists that preceded sr. ixtlan or something. good use of technology indeed. probably far more chance of getting old timer to participate too. there would need to be some sort of whitelisting or vetting to keep the list free from malicious people. all in all i really like it.
x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTe47giKBs
Post by: ju4o on 18 February 2013 06:30:32 PM
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for instance, the question is, is there any problem taking all that data sustained action gathered, and hosting it.
Well I think it would mainly be a matter of asking permission of the copyright holders. But as far as I'm aware it is already hosted quite satisfactorily. Would be good if you could explain more about why this is the question.
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i will give my reasoning on the email list when we are sure it is working.
Looking forward to it. I expect u will spring some surprises on us. For example am I right in thinking that when you write, almost every word comes out for unknown reasons with a capital letter at the front, even when you are trying to be on best behaviour, like writing a CV or something, and then in order to make it more readable you run it through a word processor, but owing to paucity of technical resources it is a rather primitive word processor which simply gets rid of all the capitals altogether.
Except in youtube links where your word processor has been persuaded to leave the capital letters intact. Also sometimes when you mention SR by its initials. How you managed to get that modification in to your word processor is at least as interesting as the moral aspects of data piracy. This is fascinating stuff. ESPECIALLY how a mind such as yours manages to combine all that with an interest in "data gathering and preservation" and "building user and database". I would think that accurate spelling and punctuation is very important in such matters. Maybe your interest in hosting data is a desperate yell from your subconscious, the ONLY WAY LEFT to straighten out your mind. This could be really important.
Post by: Mr X on 19 February 2013 06:33:45 PM
anyway, aware i can ask any question in the world and not expect and answer, i was just thinking out loud about the forum. having an mission statement or very crystal clear objective for the forum would be helpful, but i just aware you would like and forum for belifers and skeptics to debate passionatley. i am not aware of what merlin wants.
if people were debating about an subject that includes years worth of pre discussed information/data/critical information, it makes sense to preserve that information so it can be referenced and not lost to time. if the current preservation method is outdated or hosted by questionable people, it makes sense to copy and preserve outside the other influence, with long term goals of storing the data.
if the current hosters dont want to give permission, there is the option of just taking the data. it is possible is all. now, if the data, in this instance SA, is non profit, as in an persons lively hood doesnt depend on it, then free internet reigns. if it is commercial intellectual property that earns someone and living, then common morals reigns.
just some out loud thoughts.
i think i you wanted to think me through, mr bond, you should under think, not over think. far to many variables.
for instance, youtube links are copy and pasted from the browser address bar.
its very easy to make and word processor make it all capitals or all no capitals.
sometimes when and red line appears under my words, i right click and correct spell the word. sometimes i dont.
all the times, i quickly read through what i am about to post using the preview button. most all times i will make edits and it is then that i add capitals such as SR, if those words are near the edit.
and more variables.
techincal resources are only and 3.8ghz i5 with 8gb rams. enough for open office. i was looking in an sql database the other day, i could find what i was looking for, but yes editing the letters numbers and cases would take finess.
it is funny, bond, who said i have an interest in data gather and preserves ?. or even building user bases and data. that is what i think makes sense for the forum. if we are going to work on and forum, those things make sense, to me. they could also be discarded as ideas, going through one idea after another also makes sense, brainstorming until and workable, good strategy is found. but i would be doing that for you and merls, and anyone who uses the forum in the future. if the remnants of casta net could coalesce into and user base, and could handle talking with people who question them in and neutral environment, that would be great, but it makes no difference to me personal if it does or doesn't.
if i straightened out my brain, i am almost 100% that would be the end of me and the internet, i would never say another word. so for right now, twisted brian is good.
x
ps.
can somebody send and email on the list to check its working.
Post by: Merlin on 19 February 2013 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: Peter
1. why doesnt bond do questions.I'm not sure why. I put it down to one of his many, many oddities. By the way, did he not answer your questions yet? :pop:
Quote from: Peter again
2. what brought you and bond to sr, which led you to being here now. what is your point of interest, are you new agers, ex-casta net junkies, what.I was looking for a poem of which I could recall a fragment, then I got sidetracked by the search results.
I'm neither new ager, junkie or etc. Just a normo.
Quote from: Ra6
But as far as I'm aware it is already hosted quite satisfactorily.Not exactly. Every February and June renewal time it is liable to go down (as it currently has).
Quote from: Peter yet again
hosted satisfactorily, yes, as in it stays online, but did they ever update the format after many requests. do you remember that. to stop it looking like an late 90s website. make it easy to navigate and browse, make it relevant for the modern day internet user.When I enquired about updating the site, the current liar owner assured me he had a team of experts working on it. I do have a copy of the entire site. I also have permission (e-mail) from the founder to put the site up again when it falls over, so I wouldn't feel bad about doing that. Although I would think it wise to avoid putting up contributions from some third parties without their explicit approval.
What's a e-mail list for?
Almost forgot...tupe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98l27t4elDo
Post by: Mr X on 20 February 2013 06:54:00 PM
ok yes mr bond has some oddities but i think that is acceptable. and normo, we could do with one of them.
i dont belief you were seeking poetry, you are and well known sr name, there has to be more reason for your presence.
but no new ager, no nag net junker, is good to know. but he mystery still remains.
okay well that is interested, the hosting is not even satisfactory. great picture, confirmed.
i find it silly, we are on and sweet ruthless forum, yet you even dare hesitate to sweep up the booty.
if they are lax, why wouldnt you buy up the domain. keep it, negotiate with it as leverage, move it to an country where pursuing it leagally would be pointless, re purpose it, sure, but simply saying its there for the taking and not ruthlessly take it, madness.
you seem to have said that the owner liar is unsatifactory. that is belifable. your morals are on par, you have an copy and permissions. why you are saying but not doing, i dont understand. but thank you very much for youre input. very interesting. just keep in mind what forum you are posting in.
unarchived email list seems good, lets see.
unexpectadly good tupe.
x.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NduGJ0F5sdI
Post by: Merlin on 20 February 2013 07:50:43 PM
Point #2 | Whether you believe or not... it's true.
Point #3 | I think I'm not the only one who has all of the SA website, so some other who has not the same talent for procrastination could also do the do.
The domain name is an important aspect of the site. I heard that some publications even make specific reference to it, but there has to be a period of some time passing with the default in place before it can become available for auction etc. is my understanding.
Still don't know what email list is... like sending email to each other with cc?
Tupe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ0Tov7yECQ
Post by: card9ats on 20 February 2013 07:54:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiaLIqHOsb8
Post by: card9ats on 20 February 2013 08:24:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JSBhI_0at0
Post by: Mr X on 20 February 2013 08:37:40 PM
2 - looking for poetry is one thing, becoming and long term user is and other, some gaps in the story.
3 - if you have permissions from the founder, that is something else. if you are referring to mr jennings of america, he is the only relevant voice in terms of the future of sa/sr.
if the domain name hosts the original but modernized data, i dont see the problem. no matter where the domain is stored, if it points to the relevant data, then publications can refrence, and so and such forth.....
it is most likely senor will not renew until he can convince dave or someone else to put their personal details into the payment forms.
pretty sure email is like cc. send one email, send to all. not sure what unarchived means but i think bond is onto something.
that poor guy in your tupe. people should feel like this when singing perhaps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m94ip38UKs
hello there card9. welcome aboard.
x
Post by: Merlin on 20 February 2013 09:53:06 PM
3a - I contacted Mr Jennings first time the 'Kenny' didn't pay his domain bill in 2009. This time 'Kenny' hasn't paid his hosting bill, which is why the site is offline. In June he has to renew the domain name too. We could put the site up under another domain, what do you suggest?
Paul Weller seems quite happy to sing, but isn't possible for a human to be more happy than Al Green when he sung.
Post by: Merlin on 21 February 2013 12:39:01 AM
To me folks in these forums are not completely real, one tends to treat them as if they have a kind of immortality about them. I was thinking just now about the thing that draws me even to the ones I disagree with most, is that on the whole, they have a most remarkable character about them. If they didn't have that, then I guess one wouldn't be drawn to read or even communicate with them. From time to time you hear about one of these interesting characters passing away, not just ceasing to post, and it does leave a genuine sadness that you know you will never have opportunity to read their stuff again. Very sad.
Post by: ju4o on 21 February 2013 09:46:14 PM
Well if I'd been asked something like that on the forum, I might have felt funny about replying. I mean it doesn't seem right to fill up the forum with remarks about how one is. But in email it felt perfectly fine to answer that kind of question. So I think email4 is already beginning to prove its worth.
Also, because I was answering one question, I felt it would be OK to ask two questions in return. This meant that even if I made one of the questions simply "how are you?" (which is what I did), I would still have another question left over.
Now, here's the thing: to all intents and purposes, as there are only two people on the list at the moment, no one except my correspondent and me will ever be able to know how I said I am in answer to the question which I was asked. And for that matter, of the two questions which I asked in return, no one except my correspondent and me will ever be able to know what the second question was.
What unarchived means is that the system does not in any way preserve the emails that are sent through it. There is another kind of mailman list, which is archived, which means that when new people join the list later on they can read back through what has been sent so far to bring themselves up to date. This is right for lists that are discussing ideas or telling a story. But our kind of list is unarchived.
The two emails which have already been processed through the list are now gone forever. Maybe there is some electromagnetic radiation travelling through the solar system and bearing the faint impression of those emails as they passed through the mail server, and maybe this electromagnetic radiation is now searching lovingly and longingly for rocks on which to caress its message as it flits by --- but by now, this radiation will be well outside the orbit of Pluto, where caressable rocks are increasingly hard to find. According to wikipedia it only takes about 5 hours for electromagnetic radiation to get as far as Pluto. After that ... le silence eternel des ces espaces infinis.
That phrase is by Pascal, by the way.
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Le silence éternel de ces espaces infinis m'effraie.
Here is another thing about Pascal,
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On 23 November 1654, between 10:30 and 12:30 at night, Pascal had an intense religious vision and immediately recorded the experience in a brief note to himself which began: "Fire. God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob, not of the philosophers and the scholars..." and concluded by quoting Psalm 119:16: "I will not forget thy word. Amen." He seems to have carefully sewn this document into his coat and always transferred it when he changed clothes; a servant discovered it only by chance after his death.
The premise of the email list is that although extraordinary experiences may happen most particularly to extraordinary people like Pascal, still --- owing to the democracy of spirit --- somewhat extraordinary experiences may also happen, sometimes, to quite ordinary people like us. And an email list could be the perfect medium for discussing these experiences. Obviously Pascal did not feel like publishing his account of his experience in a public forum, but if he had been on an unarchived email list ...... well, then, he just might have felt OK about putting it on the list. Which would have saved him an enormous amount of trouble with needle and thread.
Post by: âspen on 22 February 2013 02:48:56 PM
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We could put the site up under another domain
Strange, SA is still offline.
Probably would be best if you put a note on SR before putting the site up somewhere else. If they don't respond to that, then I would suggest by all means go ahead.
But I'd be quite surprised if they simply let it go. Am not sure what is going on there.
Post by: Merlin on 22 February 2013 08:52:06 PM
Let's see what they have to say.
I'll be away for a week, and don't really fancy putting a website up using a small Android device.
I'll see what happens when I return.
We need a new name still.
Post by: card9ats on 23 February 2013 11:01:30 AM
I like the name forum4, unique.
Gives me a good taste of stability,something-like-mystery or like amorphy, and a sense of 'something to have to be explained/discovered' like - a 'direction'.
Having no personal history is good so I think there 's no need addressing SR in a way... SR was about Castaneda.
an old quote, maybe times has moved past that.
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We either makes ourselves miserable or we make ourselves strong, the amount of work required is the same...
Not that we can't see everything as a challenge instead of taking it as a blessing or a curse...
::)
C.
Post by: Mr X on 26 February 2013 07:15:53 PM
and rose by any other website name is still and rose except its and roze.
realistically, i would think wait until june. even if it meant using some web service to snipe the domain ownership the second it becomes available. that is legitimate take over, with and proven track record of disinterest from previous owners.
starting over on and different name, there is also no problem, but not quite as legit. realistically, the people that need convincing are at abes, at the hat, and elsewhere. if they approve, the founder approves, it is legit no matter what.
think about it over your week off.
answer 2b was most excellent. while i agree with your sayings. its the fact that they are not immortal that interests me. every post, good or bad, is someone sitting at their computer typing. that person was once and kid, they either did or didnt have parents in their life. they were once adolescents. maybe and girl or boy broke their heart, maybe that didnt happen. they chose some path in life, to make money, but also other paths where they made their minds. all of that and more led them to moment they sat down and posted the words that came out of their brians. and they belif it. i find that interested. i can understand why one would become involved with an community full of rich character.
SA seems to be up right now. does anyone have an screen shot of the note left.
maybe sign up on the email list before you depart merlin.
x
Post by: ju4o on 28 February 2013 07:53:04 PM
Now the website is back up, so presumably they have paid their web hosting bill, and Aesop's note has vanished.
So the proven track record suggests 3 things,
* poor organizational skills
* but they still want to keep SA going
* and are sensitive to criticism.
Post by: âspen on 03 March 2013 09:45:06 PM
administrators so i am confident that the level of coping will be high. If our webhost (dreamhost) totally falls over while I'm away (which it possibly could, see https://discussion.dreamhost.com/thread-137484.html (https://discussion.dreamhost.com/thread-137484.html)) and you move this forum to another host, so much the better. If you could possibly find a way of communicating with SR that does not involve insulting them, that would be amazing.Post by: Merlin on 03 March 2013 10:06:43 PM
Post by: Mr X on 05 March 2013 09:01:32 PM
as far as it looks, they are, one way or the other - being cut out of the loop in an brave new world.
they want to keep it going due to it giving them illusions and delusions of power, some nostalgia and sense of misguided duty aswell. nothing more than that.
the sensitivity is many things. also something that is not needed. they place themselves personally as an authority, which they are not. challenging the authority that exists inside their minds is an personal insult, even though it shouldnt be.
i am very curious as to where mr bond is travelling, that does not have internet. i am imagining something like indiana jones at the start of the lost ark movie. maybe i will ask on the email.
x
Post by: card9ats on 06 March 2013 07:51:04 PM
Tube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW1vlHaS7H4
Post by: card9ats on 12 March 2013 12:37:19 AM
grappling with the myths......
Post by: Mr X on 16 March 2013 05:13:32 PM
x
the myths 3 seems to be the new point of discussion. in private.
Post by: card9ats on 16 March 2013 07:45:11 PM
Sorry,
I seem to have a rather heavy mood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbP-Aa3V6bA - - ~
Post by: tally-ho! on 08 March 2015 04:28:26 PM
well - i was going to read a lot more before replying... but this is so mystifying!
The myth of the warrior sage ... of the gait of yu ... the tale of the four arrows ... the way of the mountain echo ... of the trickster sorcerer ... the myth of the lyrical anthropologist ... so many myths, so few contributors to the forum (so far) (joke)
~j
the myth of the warrior sage?
unlike the sage(s) yuno's husband(s)?
(assassin creed - just red some of the viki)
the gait of yu? ...
the tale of the four arrows? ...
the way of the mountain echo ... (rings an echo this one... but what?)
the myth of the lyrical anthropologist ...
what about the myth of the debunker?
lyrical? epic?
tragic?
comic?
a myth?
a saga?h
a court of justice?
ju4o?
as for your greek in other thread...
in spite of X's reservations, i dreamed seeing a post that you, forum4 gentlemen, posted to cheer me up, in punctuated hebrew - a poem, old font (not available on-line as i know) in weird rated lines (i mean - at same line parts high, parts low)
i remember only one word - "אֶסְתֵּרִינָה" (esterina, a nick derived from the name "ester").
thanks, it did cheer me up!
Post by: tally-ho! on 28 September 2021 07:11:43 PM
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