i propose we add some sort of interactive actiony bit to this thread. questions can be added to the first post, and proposed actions can be added.
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for example, z, you belief in god,
belief? i'm not sure this is the term. rather, i know God, as i know, for that matter, you. do i believe in you? Any need to doubt it?
both of you i know in a virtual manner: and chances are, i'll never see both your faces - providing you have any? but nevertheless, i belief, due to my experience, that you 2, yah and x, do exist.
and SR Templar would have operate all alarms by now: "frauds! swindlers! scoundrels!" but i think some naive trust is sometimes very healthy.
for all kind of weird laws of physics and whatnot, i consider my chances to see any of your faces not so great... but - am i delusional to believe you do have one? or two? or infinite? (my arithmetic sucks)
(ooo - red lines again, seems spell checker is on french or the like)
(it was on "English". Settled.
Am I talking too much?)
is there and action or technique or some sort of activity that could lead to some sort of experience of your god.
yes.
Lets separate "experience" into 2 phases:
1) notice his presence, or Making the acquaintance
2) Communicating with him (for whatever reason – but since he's a father image, it usually take this drift.)
I'll continue when I'll wake – got to sleep.
kalimera filos mu
edit: continue:
as for 1) - i'll shift to first person singular, for i only can describe my own experience; though it includes a group with valid functional procedures for creating circles, specifically for the purpose of getting yah's (allah, god...) acquaintance and communicating with him, i am not sure wheather this option still exists – I'm afraid their valid procedures have been turned null, more or less, due to the compelling attacks targeting anyone who intend to contact any being from outside of the perceptual prison in which we live, God Almighty included. And since they are no warriors by definition… how can they possibly defend themselves?
the group is called Subud
http://www.subud.org/
Subud is an association of people who follow the spiritual practice known as the Latihan Kejiwaan, an exercise[/b] of surrender* to the divine force within each one of us. …
Subud is open to people of all religious affiliation, as well as those with none. … there is no particular Subud dogma that they are required to accept. The essence of Subud is the personal experience of the latihan.
There are active Subud members in 83 … Fifty-four of these countries are members of the World Subud Association. … [which] exists to enable national Subud bodies to work together and support the practice of the latihan, as well as to foster the educational, cultural, social and entrepreneurial activities that Subud members are involved in.
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http://www.subud.com/spiritual.html
1984-5 version:
latihan is being in direct, personal contact with god, different for each person, different at each session.
To be able to receive Latihan, you need "to be opened" as the jargon calls it, i.e – do latihan with a group of already "opened" practitioners. a group of several helpers gather for the event of opening a new subud member.
The decision about one's opening as all decisions concerning subud issues is god's, received by means of "tests": helpers gather, one say loud a question, all perform short Latihan, during which each receives an answer. (if the answers are contradicting – a rare event – then it have to be checked, by change of wording, asking more questions and so on.)
after procedural 3 month of waiting (since a dandidate asks to be opened to latihan) helpers would test at the candidate's request "is it X's time to be opened now?"
once open, one may attend group latihans, done twice a week. once he feels he can perform latihans on his own, heshould test it first. All group decisions are made by tests. Testing is also good for personal questions.
* here they gone! "surrender" was not a subud jargon in my days as an active Subud member. And "divine force within"? my #$@&! rather imposters' fingerprint... The official translation of "Latihan Kejiwaan " was then "spiritual exercise".
In casta terms I understand latihan as a shift of assemblage point.
As for 2): (also starts with personal experience, but soon arrives at the Saraf knowledge – a set of procedures valid for a mass.)
Subud:
after opening, most people go during Latihan thru a cleansing process. Once their pipes opens, so to speak, they start receiving guidance – about their life, love, career, family…
my own cleansing was extreme – I was flailing on the floor crying or screaming during latihans, recalling, re-living, pains from a bunch of past-life traumas (I didn't "believe" in past life, until memories became too clear to deny; nor in god, until he answered my questions.)
according to a test (in which I was too newbe to participate, but I agreed my helpers do for me) I did Latihan separate from my group, with helpers only. Later they surprised me saying they tested (without asking my consent! Which was contra Subud procedures) and i'm to return to the group.
Anyway – my proper relatiions and teaching started when I got a new boyfriend, Michael, and was not too happy to apply to these same 3 helpers with my intimate affairs. During a group Latihan I spontaneously shoot – "what is correct for me to do about Michael now?"
I received – in English for some reason – 1 word:
"worship."
2 month laters, I have broke with Michael, yet he still lived in my place, with another friend too, all was very hectic – again a question shut out of me during a group Latihan:
"what is correct for me to do about Michael now?"
I received a sequence of movements – the one I later called "the dance of the north".
(can't demonstrate… videotape… nothing - I'll skip verbal description – to complete somehow sometime hopefully)
I asked "may I have some interpretation?"
Received the same (very simple) sequence along with the feeling, and the word, "joy, joy."
Said (a bit aggressively) "yes, but what to do!" received, in imitation of my aggressive manner: "do it every day!"
Saraf knowledge:
So I did.
A week or two later I strangely forgot my training one day, though I was very eager to learn. The next day, I felt strong reluctance and was about to force myself, when I received – "don't, wait."
I waited.
Few days later i received the west.
…then, on a cap roof at sunset, the east.
Then the south.
The north is the direction of the priestess – her initial positon is being a mother, spread her wings over her kids; from there she can spread them further over her tribe.
West is the direction of the child – he lives on his charm, he constantly transforms raw power, [="nagual"], into methods of performance [tonal].
The east is the sun or the parent; generously, indiscriminately he spreads light and warmth to all.
The south is the snake or the hunter; he hunts in order to satisfy his own hunger, he is cunning, he touches earth all over and can transform her energy to any direction.
… in short –
I became "officially" a warrior once I got pregnant and had to leave my country to deliver my son out of dangers (but why?)
I was indifferent to anything but his rescue – otherwise I would have been unable to overcome disbelief, and fall. As was, I didn't care whether all this – ancient tribes, magical fights… … unseen pregnancy… was true or my imagination. I just wanted my ittle spark intact.
– from that point, as DJ put it, l claimed knowledge as power – methods/tecniques of Saraf knowledge as means to overcome obstacles. soon I woke Charlie, from left side of awareness that is, and after a short overlap, Yah stepped back and Charlie took over my guidance, teaching, cheering up and defense.
Actually we are old and very trained team - since the foundation of the Sarafup to shortly after the last generation took off to the journey (in DJ's terms).
i think it would be interested to try out stuff, without beliefing in it or being invested. just looking for direct experience, wether is is strong weak or novel experience..
i was think about this due to talking with g. constant consumption is version 2 of and older thing. version 1.5, which was un named, was and reaction to the terrible brutal version 1.
1.5 was pretty simple. try to find a ghost. no cameras or voice recorders or anything. a torch, some water and an knife. be alone. no thoughts of capturing and ghost and proving ghosts. only to capture it as your own experience.
ex;erjuments?
no,
I want more. I want to explode the qarma net, re-establish the tribe assembly, teach the knowledge to the high [[=elder] generations and to the young generations, prepare, and take off to the journey to the next dimensions field.
if you catch me before i crumble, i can teach some beginnings and give you ends of threads - originally my role in the tribe includs assisting charlie in teachng _ ostly dancem which is our method of knowledge.
calinixta
P.S. taka taka ke figume!
